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A quote: What I like to say is "Logic trumps Science" However like all things...it can sometimes be the reverse. But Logic often puts things in a perfect perspective for myself. Your Flashlight analogy is Perfect. While science is certainly involved, the logic in your statement makes great sense. Or at least that is the way I see it. Others might argue that you are simply giving the end result of science.I have designed a few personal products in different fields. For my own use. Sometimes what should work and what really works are two different things. |
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You have put forth crystal clear evidence as to the importance of Room Treatment. Once again helping to get closer to the recorded sound process that I will need. While, I like to consider myself logical to a great degree. Obviously one can not be logical altogether due to Feelings. Feelings get in the way of Science and Logic. Thus, I am still lusting after those Schoeps! ha ha |
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Little tribute to Forum members...this mean you Doug!
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Hello guys again,
as I promised, I recorded a new song today. It's going to be in our next music video. Here is the result: https://soundcloud.com/luk-leng-l/mic_test/s-HxZYx It is after postprocess... EQ, comp, reverb etc. And here is, how I set up the microphones. I followed your advices and what you can hear is Lewitt in the center and Rodes panned hard to L and P. AKG is off, line from the guitar is off and you were right, it gets more brighter and cleaner sound. Still I feel bad for wasting that AKG :/ What do you think? |
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This sounds pretty close to mono to me and rather indistinct. I'd go for a stereo image, and I'm wondering if there is a room acoustics issue. Or maybe it's how you have the mics mixed. Maybe post the raw tracks with no processing, and both pairs separately?
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Thank you Doug, here it is:
https://soundcloud.com/luk-leng-l/se...d_test/s-6yKxg Export of each audio file from Cubase without any effects. Just raw tracks. I'm really dissapointed with it.. wish I could get the right sound. Here is the sound, I would like to have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNUcQ3QbqdY It is so clear and bright. I would never belive, that the room has so massive impact of recording anything. |
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1) make those files downloadable so I can more easily check them out (just select "Enable Downloads" under the Permissions tab after choosing Edit.) 2) I can't see from your photo how far away from the guitar you are. Try recording with just the rode mics 8-12 inches from the guitar, and I'd try spaced pairs - mics about 15-20 inches apart, like this:
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Mono sound. You are probably converting your stereo track (BTW I don't care much for XY. Try spaced pair or at least ORTF). Check your software setting for something that is causing mono - e.g. panning or some mono plug-in.
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2) Unfortunately, I don't have such a photo. But from the microphones I'm about 1 foot away, maybe 2. However I really think, I have to figure out by myself. Spend a lot of time trying positions, placement etc. But the room is a problem for me. This is the only 'silent' room in the house, but I can try it in others, but smaller rooms. The reference track, I've posted is great. It seems, he does it just with two spaced pairs on each side and that is. |
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I'm using Cubase. Good idea, I'll give the eye on it. Thank you.
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I didn’t mean you should post a photo, I meant try recording with the mics placed like I showed in my photo
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The playlist no longer exists now?
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This should work https://soundcloud.com/luk-leng-l/se...d_test/s-rePM7
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OK, I took a quick look/listen.A few things:
Your levels are quite low. Not a show stopper, but I'd get them up a bit. The guitar seems to be out of tune, especially the opening notes. Your "line" track is distorted. The Rode tracks are stereo if panned hard left and right, but the image is really narrow and the sound is harsh and thin. I used the akg and lewitt as "spaced pairs" panned hard left and right, and those are much better. Still a bit of a thin harsh sound on top. May be room acoustics, may actually be the sound you're getting on the guitar? I'll PM you a dropbox link with this mix to see what you think. I put quite a bit of reverb on since you seemed to like that. My guess is that you have room acoustic issues and need work on mic placement. Advice: I'd use the AKG and Lewitt as spaced pairs, put them around 12 inches from your guitar, 15-20 inches apart, and tweak that position till it sounds good. Drop the pickup unless you can get it to sound better and not distort. Carefully listen to your guitar to see if it actually sounds like what you want to start with. If possible, add some sound baffles to improve the acoustics. Figure out why your mix is coming out mono. One other suggestion: It's great to have a reference track, but it's easiest to compare and learn something from it if you play something very similar, if not the same piece. Your example is radically different from your reference - you're asking about percussive guitar, but your piece isn't percussive at all, so it's hard to A/B between your track and your reference and reach any conclusions. I'd either find a reference you like that's more similar to the piece you're trying to record, or for sound check purposes, play something more like your reference (even if it's just 1 or 2 bars of something in the style). It's just hard to compare apples and oranges when you're making decisions about mic placement, mix, etc.
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