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On Andy's latest, he's using a single mic and a K&K pickup. Certainly an example of non-true stereo. But it sounds good to me.
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Doug, do you have any clue what kind of mic that was?
And, more importantly, how that non-true stereo sound was achieved? I like the one mic approach, as you get the guitar absolutely centered which I think is very important for this kind of music. The album version of Art of Motion is a good example of a moving stereo field. It shifts a bit left and right. I find it especially annoying when listening on headphones. |
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On Joyland, Andy used a Lauten mic, but I don't know which one, or how the sources were blended. Clearly it's not pickup on one side/mic on the other. In fact, just looking at those tracks, they may be mixed in mono, with some reverb creating the space.
That spot in Art of Motion sounds like an edit, really obvious. It's easy to get stereo field shifts when you edit multiple takes together if you're not listening for it. Casually listening on most people's stereos, you might not hear it, but there are other recordings out there that have stuff like this and it can really stick out over studio monitors or headphones.
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I'll look into that Lauten mic, I think a brand is enough for now (just out of curiosity - my Oktava and CAD serve me well).
I don't have a great pick-up in my guitar but I would definitely like to try and use it for recording. What spot in AoM are you referring to? I was thinking of those hard strums he does in that song - they make the stereo shift to the right because of that. I have a set of 'studio' monitors and a set of studio headphones, it indeed sticks out but I did not think of it as being an edit. |
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yep. There's a few other spots, too. They might not be edits, but it's so abrupt, and the sound just shifts dramamtically from being slightly left-centered to almost entirely on the right, and then back. Maybe it's the just the strength of the strums, but it reminds of edits I've heard (and even tried to do myself) from multiple takes where the stereo field has changed.
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I actually think it's the strength of the strumming if you put it like that.
Checking the Lauten website, I think it might have been the Horizon type. |
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From the reviews I've been reading in magazines and the response on gearslutz.com, this would be my hunch, too. I've yet to hear the Lauten series, but the reviews certainly are favorable, and it's a new brand I'm interested in. I'd certainly love to hear your take on the mic, if and when you get it, Cue.
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Howdy Kurt,
Haven't seen you on GS. But then again, that forum is HUGE. I also have yet to hear them. Was hoping Sound Pure studios had a demonstration/review of one of their microphones, but I can't seem to find one. Sound Pure Studio got me interested in a couple other microphones though: Mojave MA-200 (was that you with that mic, AlohaChris?), and the MA-201 CharterOak (also new and pretty unknown as far as I am aware) e700 Earthworks QTC-40 (seem like beautiful omni mics) ... and some others I have forgotten about. If I can scrape the cash together at some point I probably will get one of the Lautens for my mic locker, as well as those mentioned above, with perhaps a Neumann, Gefell or Schoeps here and there. Yes, that will take forever indeed. No, I will first try to get a higher grade better spec (for me and my style) acoustic, and then will worry about getting another one of the Oktava MK-012 (love it so much, and can do many 'true-er' stereo setups, and then also have a very nice pair of OH mics) and another CAD M179 (interested in blumlein-XY and can function as tom mics). |
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And I wouldn't necessarily agree that stereo mic arrangements require a large distance. One rule of thumb says the distance should equal the length of the source, so a couple of feet would cover most guitars. Fran
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Aloha Cue,
Aloha Cue,
Re Mics: The Mojave MA-200 tube condenser - My voice chose it for recording vocals. Then I loved it on acoustic guitar and had to get another one (from Ryan Alexander) for stereo. I like it more for strumming and flatpicking than for detailed fingerpicking. Can't beat the Schoeps CMC641's for that application. They're my favorites. When I get an Ensemble multi-channel interface, I'd like to try the Schoeps X/Y'd in front of the sweet spot of my smaller guitars (about 12" out from the 18th fret, and then add the Mojave's in a very widely spaced pair about 5-8' out and see what I'll get. I once used a pair of U87's and some AKG 452's in such a recording project at a studio in '81 and loved the result. Got the MA-200's used for just $750 used each (thanks Ryan!). New, the price just went up a hundred to $1095. The only downside to the MA-200 (if you can call it that) is that it only offers a cardioid pattern, not multi-patterns. But for my uses, I don't need that from that particular mic. Vocals are my primary application for them and I really like the results I'm getting. Check out sample number 3 here: http://mojaveaudio.com/rectips-acousticgutiar.html Hey Cue, speaking of GS, did you see that M179 for sale at $100 on page 3! You could afford that for your second one, right? Check it out. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gears...lar-mount.html Ah shucks! Looks like it just sold as I was writing this. Too bad! All the best to you in Wednesday, Cue. You'll get into the great stuff soon enough, my friend. Just enjoy the music more than the recording and you'll have a great time doing this your whole life. It only matters what's right for your ears! alohachris Last edited by alohachris; 08-03-2010 at 10:45 PM. |
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Although I have the CAD my voice still seems to like that Oktava MK-319 I have. I actually like the CAD when it's in figure-8. It adds some natural lows to my voice which sounds really sweet. I used the same set-up when that singer-songwriter (female) came over to record. It really shone on her voice. Anyhow, probably will want the multi-pattern capability. Oh, if only there was a multi-pattern version of the Oktava MK-105...
Btw, I love that 3rd sample, it sounds amazing. It's what I do with my 012 and 179. I think they are a close enough match to work for this kind of application. Although, I still want that second Oktava MK-012. And GAH what a bummer. Should keep a closer watch on the classifieds there. |
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As to gearslutz, I tend to lurk. There's so much info there to filter and sort through as is (absorbing and discarding as you go), and I just don't believe I have much, if anything, to add in most cases that hasn't already been expressed. That said -- and likely, as you know, from being on the site -- the Charter Oaks mics get good press, but I've yet to use one. Enjoy the search!!! |
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Here's more:
MK-012 @ 12th fret, M179 @ bridge http://www.box.net/shared/5lcrbn2obg MK-012 & M179 in M-S http://www.box.net/shared/sgjvmebmv1 MK-012 & M179 in X-Y http://www.box.net/shared/35zsvkarqu If you're wondering, yes - that is an excerpt of Memories of the Future. |
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Cue, That's Great!
Aloha Cue,
That was great. Great playing and samples! I could really hear the advantages & disadvantages for each miking pattern. Obviously, as Doug has pointed out, the balance of a spaced pair w/ S/D at 12th and L/D at the bridge is in question. Sounded nice, but the body and bass definitely came from the right speaker, that oft-reported bridge side bias. The M/S pattern was the most centered and direct. Makes me want to spring for the ribbon Schoeps cap right now and explore it. Really nice result on that song. I'm becoming an M/S fan. As difficult as it is to X-Y an S/D and L/D, I thought that the third sample captured more nuances of your guitar, had a more open sound, and was balanced and yet wider than the M/S pattern. But I liked them all. You're really dialing in your pair of mics and recording techniques for some very nice acoustic sounds, Cue. And of course, your playing is great. What was the exact mic positioning for each pattern? All the best. Thanks for sharing your quick evolution here with us. You're hunch about M/S and ribbons is paying dividends already, for me as well. Great samples! I'd like to hear those three with a very light delay or convolution reverb on them, just a tad. It might accentuate the taps and harmonics a bit more. Great job, Cue! Mahalo a Nui, alohachris Last edited by alohachris; 08-10-2010 at 01:06 AM. |