The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Custom Shop

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #106  
Old 12-07-2018, 03:35 PM
mhw48 mhw48 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: NYC
Posts: 462
Default

Yes, the photos and the comments are really fascinating: all the small details, decisions and distinctions that make a hand built guitar unique. Things like the cap on the X-brace, for example. Equally interesting is to discover how unique each Franklin is: if you are surprised that there are only 4 side reinforcement strips in this build, looking at other Franklin build photos, there appear to be none! Looking inside my Franklin, there are none! I also notice that the small brace just under the sound hole is absent in some other builds. (Absent in mine as well) I wonder what determines those decisions for Nick. Perhaps some characteristic of the structure of the wood he is using on a particular build that needs to be addressed? A way of attaining the particular sound parameters that he and/or the customer is looking for? Nice that along with the guitars "birthday" and serial number, your name is noted under the top. Ok, so now I have to see what's written on mine!
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 12-08-2018, 06:55 AM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,158
Default

The answer is....

Nick normally, uses no side reinforcement on his guitars. This set of Cuban Mahogany has lots of curl and interlocking grain, particularly on the cutaway side he felt that some local side wall reinforcement was necessary in two places. The two on the other side were simply for visual symmetry. Every guitar off his bench is a bit unique, responding to the situation on the bench before him...



Quote:
Originally Posted by mhw48 View Post
Yes, the photos and the comments are really fascinating: all the small details, decisions and distinctions that make a hand built guitar unique. Things like the cap on the X-brace, for example. Equally interesting is to discover how unique each Franklin is: if you are surprised that there are only 4 side reinforcement strips in this build, looking at other Franklin build photos, there appear to be none! Looking inside my Franklin, there are none! I also notice that the small brace just under the sound hole is absent in some other builds. (Absent in mine as well) I wonder what determines those decisions for Nick. Perhaps some characteristic of the structure of the wood he is using on a particular build that needs to be addressed? A way of attaining the particular sound parameters that he and/or the customer is looking for? Nice that along with the guitars "birthday" and serial number, your name is noted under the top. Ok, so now I have to see what's written on mine!
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…

Last edited by iim7V7IM7; 12-08-2018 at 07:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 12-08-2018, 08:05 AM
mhw48 mhw48 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: NYC
Posts: 462
Default

That makes sense, thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 12-08-2018, 09:22 AM
TomB'sox's Avatar
TomB'sox TomB'sox is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: The Lone Star State
Posts: 13,512
Default

I think it is interesting to note the differences among builders all building what is called a guitar. Specifically, another build thread currently going on said they do not tuck the bridge plate under the braces for if it ever needed to be replaced it would be a much bigger job to do so which makes sense, then I stop by here to find the bridge plate tucked....
__________________
PS. I love guitars!
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 12-08-2018, 12:44 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,158
Default

Yes Tom there are variety of approaches to design of guitars. There is indeed some wisdom to considering repair in the future...

Bridge plates can fail a number of ways. Most commonly from string ball abrasion/compression around the bridge pin holes (typically requiring repair and not replacement) or cracking (most commonly between the bridge pin holes) due to bridge itself or top braces ungluing allowing the top to lift. The later type of failure typically requires a bridge plate replacement.

Traditional CF Martin bridge plates were Sugar Maple which is hard, but nowhere near the hardness of the rosewoods that many builders now use. This mitigates against hole wear. Some luthiers also use rift sawn pieces to further mitigate against cracking between the pin holes. Nick uses BRW for his tucked plates and it appears to be quartersawn to boot. His lower bout dish is quite flat (>50’) which also mitigates against plate cracking as well. With nearly 700 guitars off his bench over 40+ years of building, I am comfortable that he has a method to his madness...



Quote:
Originally Posted by TomB'sox View Post
I think it is interesting to note the differences among builders all building what is called a guitar. Specifically, another build thread currently going on said they do not tuck the bridge plate under the braces for if it ever needed to be replaced it would be a much bigger job to do so which makes sense, then I stop by here to find the bridge plate tucked....
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 12-10-2018, 03:15 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,158
Default

Nick has the mounted the closed “box” on his rotatable, vacuum jig where he can hold and rotate the body relative to him while he scrapes the surfaces (left). The three Adirondack Spruce ladder braces can be seen perforating the back linings of the scraped Cuban Mahogany body. The guitar will soon be routed for bindings, purflings, backstrip and an end graft (right).



Here is the construction of the purfled, curly Sycamore Maple end graft.



This series shows the back being routed and the the Maple/Black Fiber zipper backstrip installed.



The backstrip is now installed and the end graft placed on the body for show (pre-routing).

__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 12-10-2018, 07:54 PM
swiftz07 swiftz07 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,330
Default

Thanks for sharing these pictures and insights of your amazingly fun build! What an adventure! Nick’s guitars are amongst my favourites and I count myself blessed to be able to own some of his fine instruments. I am certain your Franklin will exceed your expectations
__________________

Collings OM2H Adi / Braz
Doerr Legacy Swiss / Braz
Franklin OM German / Braz
Franklin OM Carpathian / Braz
Goodall GC Italian / Honduran
Goodall GC Italian / Braz
Goodall CJC Italian / Braz
Goodall CJC Italian / Afr. Blackwood
McPherson 5.0 Full Koa
McPherson 5.0XP Adi / Braz
Martin D-28GE Adi / Braz
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 12-10-2018, 08:09 PM
Diamondave's Avatar
Diamondave Diamondave is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Venice CA
Posts: 2,577
Default

This is becoming very real...!
__________________
onedayatatime
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 12-10-2018, 11:53 PM
justonwo's Avatar
justonwo justonwo is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 7,123
Default

Super classy! Thanks for sharing the photos!
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 12-11-2018, 01:46 AM
Guitars44me's Avatar
Guitars44me Guitars44me is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Mountains east of San Diego
Posts: 7,434
Smile Looking sweet

This looks really nice!!!

Thanks for sharing. So many ways to skin a cat... haha

Have a wonderful Christmas

Paul
__________________
3 John Kinnaird SS 12c CUSTOMS:
Big Maple/Cedar Dread
Jumbo Spanish Cedar/WRC
Jumbo OLD Brazilian RW/WRC

R.T 2 12c sinker RW/Claro
96 422ce bought new!
96 LKSM 12
552ce 12x12

J. Stepick Bari Weissy WRC/Walnut

More
Reply With Quote
  #116  
Old 12-11-2018, 06:58 AM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,158
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swiftz07 View Post
Thanks for sharing these pictures and insights of your amazingly fun build! What an adventure! Nick’s guitars are amongst my favourites and I count myself blessed to be able to own some of his fine instruments. I am certain your Franklin will exceed your expectations
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondave View Post
This is becoming very real...!
Being a fly on the wall in a luthier's workshop is indeed fun to watch... They all approach the same goal so differently.

Quote:
Originally Posted by justonwo View Post
Super classy! Thanks for sharing the photos!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitars44me View Post
This looks really nice!!!

Thanks for sharing. So many ways to skin a cat... haha

Have a wonderful Christmas

Paul
There are many roads all leading to Rome...
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 12-12-2018, 02:33 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,158
Default

Nick has begun to route the channels for the curly Sycamore Maple bindings and Maple/Black Fiber back purflings (top). In the middle image you can see how the routed channels are terminated so Nick can miter the back purflings with the Maple/Black Fiber zipper backstrip. The bottom image shows his purfled, tapered curly Sycamore Maple end graft.



These two images show the neck end of the guitar. The bottom image shows the first miter cut into the Maple/Black Fiber zipper backstrip to abut the Maple/Black Fiber back purflings.

__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 12-16-2018, 04:54 AM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,158
Default

This series of photos chronicles how Nick prepares his routed channels for mitered side purflings around the end graft junction. It also gives you a peak into an end view of the quartersawn grain of the 50-year old German Spruce top.


Here are the black fiber/maple back purflings being mitered at the zipper backstrip junction. Nick uses some scrap pieces of binding to affix it when glueing it in place.


Bending the side purflings using a heated form and a hot pipe to form the 3/4” cutaway radius.


__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 12-16-2018, 05:40 AM
swiftz07 swiftz07 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,330
Default

Lovely details! The guitar is really coming together!

Bob, would you know if Nick uses hide glue or regular titebond during construction? It’s just something I have always been curious about!
__________________

Collings OM2H Adi / Braz
Doerr Legacy Swiss / Braz
Franklin OM German / Braz
Franklin OM Carpathian / Braz
Goodall GC Italian / Honduran
Goodall GC Italian / Braz
Goodall CJC Italian / Braz
Goodall CJC Italian / Afr. Blackwood
McPherson 5.0 Full Koa
McPherson 5.0XP Adi / Braz
Martin D-28GE Adi / Braz
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 12-16-2018, 06:31 AM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,158
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swiftz07 View Post
Lovely details! The guitar is really coming together!

Bob, would you know if Nick uses hide glue or regular titebond during construction? It’s just something I have always been curious about!
Answer: I don’t know, but I suspect that he uses Titebond. I will ask him.

Conjecture: The reason I say this if you look at his top bracing clamping fixture (post #72) I believe that HHG would not afford enough working time to use that (unlike a traditional go-bar deck where braces are clamped one at a time).

General: Most builders who use HHG for many operations actually don’t use it when joining the top and back plates for the same reason (limited working time). So you really need to be specific about which building operations for HHG. Typically, top/back bracing, neck joints and bridges. Many things such as purflings and rosettes use cyanoacrylates. I have seen urethanes used for other operations by HHG builders as well...
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Custom Shop






All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=