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Mid-Side Recording Demo
We've had mid-side come up a few times lately, and I've been meaning to do a demo of how I approach it, so I finally did. Hope it's not too long winded, there was more to talk about than I expected, and even then, this barely scratches the surface. Hope it helps someone give it a try!
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Thanks for that! A very simple but informative explanation of recording and processing technique!
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Very interesting - thanks Doug..
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Just one thing Doug — LUFS units.
If I was mastering for a streaming service I would be at -14 or -15. But for a CD I might go a little higher to -9 or -10. How do you work out which target to go for?
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Thanks for this. I will have to try your tip on setting mic levels using two different mics. I have tried mid-side recording using the Goodhertz plugin with GarageBand and really like it. I had some problems with left- right balance until I aimed the mics the way you have shown.
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Nice demo. However it's not my favorite sound so what is the point of MS recording other than for mono compatibility considerations?
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At the end of the recording process and post recording tweaking I will then raise the volume to a few decibels under overs - some margin just in case.
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I mentioned a few, but didn't want to drag on and on... First, it is one of my favorite sounds, there's something about the mix of width and focus that I just like. Obviously subject to personal taste. You can adjust the stereo width after the fact, so if you are not sure what you want, especially if you plan to add other instruments, it works nicely. (Yes, you can do this by panning any mic setup, but in this case you don't get phase cancelation) Mono capability is a nice feature. It's an easy mic setup, easy to just move the mics around to get balance (could do the same with XY on a bar, too) All in all, it's just another technique, not so much about advantages, it's another choice, worth having in your bag of tricks. Sometimes I use it, sometimes I do XY, sometimes ORTF, sometimes spaced pairs, sometimes multiple mic pairs.
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Doug, did you use that mike setup for any of the recordings on your CDs?
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What kind of material would you go to -9 for? Would you push a solo guitar thing like this to -9. I should explore various commercial guitar tracks with this in mind, something on the to-do list. Most of what little I understand about it comes from here: https://www.tcelectronic.com/brand/t...ness-explained
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I find I cycle thru these mic placements. I use one for a while, then try something I haven't done in a while, and like the change... Oh, I've also been using MS on some of the duet's I've been recording with Teja Gerken lately. My thought there is that MS allows me more flexibility when mixing the two guitars to treat them as mono, panned to each side, or stereo, etc. Lots of games you can do with the MS and how it sits in the stereo field. Verdict's still out on that, we haven't finished recording, so I haven't done final mixes.
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What was the figure eight mike?
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Schoeps, just like in this demo. Mixing mics is an interesting option, tho. I haven't tried that too much. But something like a ribbon for the middle, and a condenser for the sides seems like it might be a nice combination.
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Most of the time my LUFS measurements are in the same ball park as K14 but I'm not sure they are all the time! I still reckon this mastering thing to be 'dark arts'!
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I noticed that Adobe Audition recently replaced it's "perceived loudness" tool with LKFS as a target instead. One thing I like about the TC meter is the history, which makes it really easy to see where the bulk of your volume is, how often you go over and so on. Anyway, this is definitely something I'm still trying to figure out. Maybe Joe Hanna or Bob Womack, who probably deal with this stuff professionally can add some light to the topic (probably worth a thread on its own).
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