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Taylor ES Guitar with Fishman Aura Pedal?
Hello, This is my first post. It's time to invest in a new acoustic. For recording mostly but definitely live performance later on. I'm reading such great things about Taylor guitars, but mixed reviews about the electronics.
Has anyone tried a Taylor ES Guitar with Fishman Aura Pedal? Best of both worlds or Frankenstein? Last edited by emersongs; 10-16-2007 at 03:54 PM. |
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• Noise, 20 Hz to 20 KHz, bypass mode, referenced to input: - 109 dBv, input shorted: - 97.5 dBv, input open • A/D Conversion - 24 bit - 64x oversampling - S/(N+D): 94dB - Dynamic Range, S/N: 108dB • D/A Conversion - 24 bit - 128x oversampling - 24 bit 8 times digital filter - Ripple: +/-0.005dB, Attenuation: 75dB - S/(N+D): 94dB- Differential outputs - Dynamic Range: 110dB, A weighted |
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Specs.......sigh
All great audio comes from devices that have great specs. Specs are wonderful measurements. Specs can be evidence that you are dealing with a well designed product. Specs are what they are. That being said, I hate specs. Specs are like statistics. Without changing a single number, they can be interpretated or manipulated to validate any argument. They can, and often do, mean nothing.
If you plug in a guitar and it sounds lousy, are you going to keep using it because the specs listed in the user guide are state of the art? Doubt it. Never once in my life have I heard something that sounded great plugged in and thought "Wow, I wonder what the output impedance of this pickup is!!" or "The slew rate on this puppy rocks, I can't wait to get to page 3 so I can see how the differential output turns out!!" It just doesn't work that way. You'll like or not like it based on your ears, nothing more. Specs are for engineers, who thankfully exist so we can just play guitar while they play with the specs. JB |
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The first part is correct. The second part, not so much. I think what created a market for the Aura is the performance of the product, not the harsh sound quality of pickups. JB |
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I didn't read the thread. However, I can say that my recording engineer liked the ES fairly well, but was blown away by the Aura and still talks about it. Currently, I use the K&K Pure Western Mini, which in his opinion comes in second to the Aura.
Luckily, it matches my opinion as well. The only reason I chose the K&K is that I don't have to change batteries and the setup is simpler for idots like me, and sounds pretty darned good. Pickups are always a compromise...
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That I will have to 100% agree with. I had an onboard Aura equipped guitar for awhile. A Martin OMC-Aura. It is one of the better sounding plugged in guitars I've ever had....in certain situations. It was fantastic for recording and solo work. In a band environment however, it flat wore me out with all the knob diddling required to try to get it to sound good...but still cut through....and not feedback.
I ended up going back the simplicity and incredible feedback immunity of the ES. I posted my thoughts on each here: http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...d.php?t=106601 Given a choice and money to burn, I'd have one of each! |
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The second part of my post may be a matter of opinion. As I see it, it is the shortcommings of the piezoelectric pickup, its harshness and, in its most popular application, its response to only string vibration that created a need for a product like Aura. |
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I gotta stick with Herb on this one...lets face it, if people were truly thrilled with the warmth and richness of transducers, they wouldn't be shelling out $$ for complex dual source systems, mic modelling products and the like.
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I was only going to post the noise specs but didn't bother to delete the digital dynamic specs. I couldn't find the analog dynamic range specs on D-TAR's web site.
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I'll grudgingly agree, but all pickups are not created equal. The original passive piezo crystal pickups ie; Fishman AG series, created a harshness that some people unfortunately do not segregate from the warmer sounding active pickups like the Acoustic Matrix. The efficient circuitry of the Matrix allows for much greater headroom (without needing extra voltage btw...) so the issue of high end harshness is greatly, if not completely diminished. The Matrix proprietary sensing material also senses bridge and top movement and is not as string oriented as the crystal pickups. |
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I've been disappointed, slightly, with my ES equipped GS. I've read many postings here which indicated that the ES has very low susceptability to feedback, and Taylor says the same thing. But my guitar feeds back quite easily, as reasonably low amp volumes. I was wondering if there have been any recalls/field notes re: probs with the ES that can be corrected/repaired.
I also find the sound to be a bit honky, and have not been able to tweak the sound to my satisfaction, but I'll keep dinking with it. I love the tone acoustically, however. Just thought from all the hype that I'd get a better plugged in tone. BTW: I'm using a Bose L1 w/2 B1's, and I've tried both the Taylor presets and non-Taylor presets (though I haven't tried every one). I've gotten some fairly decent acoustic guitar sounds, just none that are remotely similar to my actual guitar.
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I believe that there's some inconsistency with the ES guitars. I ran sound, on numerous occasions, for a player whose ES-equipped 414ce worked pretty well until it just went dead one day. After the repair (at Taylor), it was suddenly more feedback prone for some strange reason. He quit using it and would borrow my (less feedback prone) Wavelength UST-equipped 314ce instead.
On Saturday night I noticed that my opening act was playing an ES-equipped Taylor with a soundhole cover. The soundhole cover seemed like a strange necessity for a solo performer in a small club, so I asked him about it. He claimed that he was having some feedback issues during his soundcheck. Go figure. His volume level during the show certainly wasn't excessive. Even with fewer bodies in the room (during the soundcheck), it was hard for me to imagine that the same volume level would cause feedback problems with most UST-equipped or ES-equipped guitars. I presume he must have one of the problematic ES guitars. Gary |