The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > PLAY and Write

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 01-12-2016, 12:25 PM
Mystery123 Mystery123 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Colorado, US
Posts: 1,153
Post Does same consonant/vowel sound in lyrics associate with same notes/chords in songs?

Looking at the C major scale,
C D E F G A B C
Western: Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do
Eastern: Sa Re(ri) Ga Ma Pa Dha Ni Sa

How do they associate with lyrics?
What I meant, when you look at certain words in the lyrics, does that tell what chord/note it should have there?
For example, lots of songs have 'love', 'rocking', 'long', 'home', 'brown' etc... words.
Do they all play around the same notes/chords?
Or it entirely depends upon the music/rhythm?
Can the same lyrics/song be played in entirely different chords/notes?

Let's say, we only have lyrics and there is no song to listen to yet.
How is that played from different guitarists?
If lyrics give hints on notes/chords, they may play it similarly. Hmm...

Thoughts?
Thanks
__________________
Acoustic-Electric: Yamaha FGX800C, Jim Dandy. Seagull S6.
Electric: Schecter C1+, Aria Pro II Fullerton.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-12-2016, 01:14 PM
JonPR JonPR is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 6,476
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystery123 View Post
Looking at the C major scale,
C D E F G A B C
Western: Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do
Eastern: Sa Re(ri) Ga Ma Pa Dha Ni Sa

How do they associate with lyrics?
They don't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystery123 View Post
What I meant, when you look at certain words in the lyrics, does that tell what chord/note it should have there?
No.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystery123 View Post
For example, lots of songs have 'love', 'rocking', 'long', 'home', 'brown' etc... words.
Do they all play around the same notes/chords?
No.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystery123 View Post
Or it entirely depends upon the music/rhythm?
what does?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystery123 View Post
Can the same lyrics/song be played in entirely different chords/notes?
Yes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystery123 View Post
Let's say, we only have lyrics and there is no song to listen to yet.
How is that played from different guitarists?
However they like. It would mean they would then be finishing the composition by writing the melody and chords.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystery123 View Post
If lyrics give hints on notes/chords, they may play it similarly. Hmm...
Well, lyrics obviously have themes and moods, so the music would usually be written to suit those moods. The meanings of the words, not the sounds of the words. That's because the sound of a word (usually) has nothing to do with its meaning.
I.e., the meanings we associate with certain musical sounds (which are vague and largely subjective) would usually be matched to the meanings (much more objective) of the lyrics. Good composers will do that to the best of their ability.
A tender love song would not normally be written to a furious punk rhythm (although it might).
An angry rebel song about smashing the state would not normally be written as a gentle ballad (although it might).
But that's totally unrelated to the actual syllables themselves.

There is perhaps one way in which the sounds of words can have a musical impact - but that would be consonants, not vowels. Hard consonants like T, D, P, B, etc, are percussive, so could form rhythms. In general, good songwriters do try to make words feel good rhythmically. so the natural accents of speech are reflected in the natural accents in the music; and I guess clever songwriters could compose lyrics in such a way that they provide rhythmic patterns of consonants.
Those kind of consonants, of course, are not pitched, so have no impact on melody or harmony.
__________________
"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in." - Leonard Cohen.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-12-2016, 01:59 PM
Mystery123 Mystery123 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Colorado, US
Posts: 1,153
Default

Thanks JonPR.
So basically, style and melody is the key.
__________________
Acoustic-Electric: Yamaha FGX800C, Jim Dandy. Seagull S6.
Electric: Schecter C1+, Aria Pro II Fullerton.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-13-2016, 03:09 AM
LeftArm LeftArm is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 351
Default

The sad story of Bagface the Bee.

http://www.thehornesection.com/new-video-bagface/
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > PLAY and Write






All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=