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Old 02-08-2019, 04:29 AM
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You say you're playing fingerstyle pieces...do you know the tunes as melody and chords as well, or just as an arrangement?
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Old 02-08-2019, 04:38 AM
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What exactly are the type of mistakes you tend to go back and play over?
Sometimes I forget the next phrase...its like my mind goes "blank" due to nerves and sometimes I miss notes...sometimes I just play some notes poorly...all of this I'm sure is related to nerves and performance anxiety and throws me off. I am so used to fixing mistakes during practice that I seem to do that when I'm performing. My performing is not even on stage. It is usually in a living room setting with a small audience.
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Within the last week, Tony Polecastro posted a segment about the differences between learning, practicing, and rehearsing. I’d add performing to that continuum, after rehearsing. And I’d also add, “messing around with a guitar in our hands...”

When we’re practicing or learning, it’s appropriate to stop at a mistake, and then work through that passage - maybe just a few measures - until we get it right. We should do that mindfully, understanding what’s tripping us up, slowing it down until we’re aware of every nuance, getting it to the point where we almost can’t get it wrong. Also, revising and potentially simplifying the bits where we keep making the mistake. (At least for me, those mistakes often happen in the same place over and over - maybe not 100% of the time, but often enough. Sometimes, you just have to cut your losses and simplify the error-prone measures, even if you’re no longer doing it exactly the way you originally wanted to.)

Moving from practicing to rehearsing a song involves learning to play through mistakes, figuring out coping strategies when mistakes happen. This process can be helped by starting at arbitrary points in the piece, learning to just pick up from anywhere. This develops “temporal independence” (I just made that up). What I mean by that is the ability to know where you are in a piece, and knowing how to proceed from that point, without having to “retrace your steps” to start over. This has to be practiced, just as learning the song itself has to be practiced.

Having a good feeling for the underlying chords and how to keep the backbone up when you’ve lost the melody also helps, especially with finger-picking.
Practicing vs rehearsing...yes I like that...will try rehearsing. Underlying chords on the arrangements I play elude me most of the time. Good tips thanks.
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Old 02-08-2019, 04:55 AM
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All these tips are great. I certainly don't feel alone with this any more.
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Old 02-08-2019, 05:51 AM
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My performing is not even on stage. It is usually in a living room setting with a small audience.
In my opinion, this is MUCH more difficult than being on stage. Even at an open mic, I have a space between the audience and me but not so in a living room. Plus, in the living room, I'm playing to friends and family so I care much more about the audience members and their reactions than I do about a bunch of strangers.

On the other hand, they are the ones that will give you far more grace and support.
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:51 AM
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Years ago, Guitar Player magazine did an article on the first “Chester and Lester” recording session with Chet Atkins and Les Paul.
The pair sat down and burned through a bunch of standards....

Then Les started putting his guitar away. Atkins, the perfectionist, said, “What are you doing? I thought we were just rehearsing.”
Paul said, “that was great... Have ‘em make the record.”

Atkins.. “But what about all the clams?” (Mistakes...)

Paul.... “They’ll just think we’re human.”
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:14 AM
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That can be very tough really-- and it's why I respect classical musicians so much--the music is what it is, there's no wiggle room as far as the notes--just the expression of them.

For regular people like us, I really recommend knowing the song outside of just an arrangment...this way, when life happens and you stumble a bit, you have a framework to fall back on...your place isn't as "lost."
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:41 AM
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I watched Pierre Bensusan auger in on a difficult passage one night at Kevin Ryan’s house concert. He didn’t drop the tempo, but it was a sho k to him and me since I hade seen him at least a half dozen times or more with never a mistake.
After the room cleared he looked at me and let go with a string of salty descriptors about what had happened. He played it perfectly and I put the guitar in the case for him,

Last Friday I had a gig with the electric band, The Huckleberries. Playing outside with poor lighting, I discovered that I couldn’t see the fret board from where I was. Wrong notes came stumbling out faster than greased lightning. I threw my hands up in the air yelling, “ I can’t see!”, and then hit the next chord in time. After that, I was fine and hit all my solos perfectly.
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