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Old 12-10-2010, 01:04 PM
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Aw, man! Ain't fair!
Sorry! I do want him to finish the guitar eventually!

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I LOVE how he fleshed out that rosette. Very creative. He definitely thinks like an artist.. can't wait to see how this all comes together.
That's very true, it really is looking fantastic, I can't wait to see the closed box and check out how the mahogany sets off the rosette, and vice-versa...
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I love that rosette!
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I love that rosette!
I agree Joel, actually that's an understatement.
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The rosette does look great !! I can hardly wait to see the bracing pattern that he uses on the top...Having Ervin Somogyi as a tutor must make an major artistic impact on his approach ....
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The rosette does look great !! I can hardly wait to see the bracing pattern that he uses on the top...Having Ervin Somogyi as a tutor must make an major artistic impact on his approach ....
Ha! Like that's going to happen!

No bracing/voicing shots on this thread guys, I've got them, but I'm not sharing!

All you need to do to get into the Somogyi voicing technique is buy the books, read them, read them again and then apply the 40 years of experience contained within to your own builds.

Simple!
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Michael, I can understand why you can't post those voicing pics .. Tho,I did buy Somogyi's 50 dollar video (super fast shipping ) Great watch and very informative ... Ervin Just couldn't get himself to turn that box around ,and show us the inner workings of his fabulous sounding box that "tapped" incredibly... The "MAGICAL" Touch.....Propitiatory information .... Your Build looks incredible..And I'm sure it will employ Mr Kostals word class voicing techniques....
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Old 12-11-2010, 12:10 PM
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Michael, I can understand why you can't post those voicing pics .. Tho,I did buy Somogyi's 50 dollar video (super fast shipping ) Great watch and very informative ... Ervin Just couldn't get himself to turn that box around ,and show us the inner workings of his fabulous sounding box that "tapped" incredibly... The "MAGICAL" Touch.....Propitiatory information .... Your Build looks incredible..And I'm sure it will employ Mr Kostals word class voicing techniques....
Yeah, that video is fantastic (and Jason's on it too!) I was sorry I missed Healdsburg 2009 but I'm really looking forward to playing my new guitar in concert there in 2011!
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Yeah, that video is fantastic (and Jason's on it too!) I was sorry I missed Healdsburg 2009 but I'm really looking forward to playing my new guitar in concert there in 2011!

Can't wait to meet you there, Michael...and we'll both have some interesting new guitars (I hope) to fool around with....
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Old 12-11-2010, 01:59 PM
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Can't wait to meet you there, Michael...and we'll both have some interesting new guitars (I hope) to fool around with....
Oh wow, you'll be there too? Fantastic, I'm really looking forward to meeting you too Larry!
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Old 12-21-2010, 02:29 AM
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In a flurry of pre-holiday activity Jason has voiced the guitar and closed the box! As I said before I won't be showing pics of the voicing process.

But... I am happy to share these!

Top signature



top glued



Top glued and cut to fit the sides, that rosette is looking great, even though it's still in the white!



On goes the back...





It's a box! Quick peek at the wedge here.



Next up are the bindings, butt-wedge, and purfling and then onto the neck, onwards!
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Love to see the Somogyi touches and effect. That looks exceptional!
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looking great! I'm now in touch with Jason and planning on meeting with him next week to see if his guitars are a good match for me
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I am going to find a used Somogyi, buy it on a 3 day policy, and take 20 pictures of the inside of the guitar so we can put to rest the proprietary bracing talk. I don't see the big deal, it is fairly easy to find that out. And I am sure Kostal's is the same as Somogyi's.

I don't see any patents at the US Patent office under his name so can't be that proprietary LOL.
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Old 12-24-2010, 02:34 AM
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I am going to find a used Somogyi, buy it on a 3 day policy, and take 20 pictures of the inside of the guitar so we can put to rest the proprietary bracing talk. I don't see the big deal, it is fairly easy to find that out. And I am sure Kostal's is the same as Somogyi's.

I don't see any patents at the US Patent office under his name so can't be that proprietary LOL.
You could try that, although Ervin's bracing has constantly evolved through 40 years of building and what you'd see in an older guitar would not be the same as in today's instruments. It's not really a case of proprietary bracing, more the process itself and methodology behind it as pertains to THIS particular instrument.

Of course Jason Kostal uses the same techniques as his teacher, but that doesn't mean he's looking for the same results.

There are many luthiers who would be less than happy to see the insides of their work splashed over the internet and I can fully respect that.

I think your plan has one fatal flaw though, once you'd bought your second-hand Somogyi guitar (of any period) it would be a real challenge to give it back when the three days were up!
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I am going to find a used Somogyi, buy it on a 3 day policy, and take 20 pictures of the inside of the guitar so we can put to rest the proprietary bracing talk. I don't see the big deal, it is fairly easy to find that out. And I am sure Kostal's is the same as Somogyi's.

I don't see any patents at the US Patent office under his name so can't be that proprietary LOL.
Why bother? For any aspiring luthier, surely it's far more important to gain an understanding of their materials and the mechanics of what's driving the top.

The vast majority of modern guitars don't depart significantly from Martin's standard "X" brace and the two tone bars below it. That being the case, why is that guitars with such a bracing layout span the range from OK to stellar. I'm sure the results would vary to the same degree if luthiers lacking Somogyi's skills and knowledge were simply to cut across to his current bracing layout.
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