Texas high school shooting - Page 4

Kerbie · #46 05-20-2018, 07:05 AM

Last warning....

KevWind · #47 05-20-2018, 07:14 AM

Some answers are out there, but we must find them by asking the "right" questions.

Gmountain · #48 05-20-2018, 07:48 AM

If you guys really would like to discuss this, pm me and I'll give you a site. it's interesting, and you might enjoy it.

fazool · #49 05-20-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ahorsewithnonam

I read an article a while back that said they really sincerely believe a lot of this is to do with violent video games that these kids play all day long and become desensitized to killing. ...

I deliberately stayed out of this discussion but I wanted to respond to this.

You've been duped. About five-to-ten years ago this was everyone's favorite scapegoat. It has become recognized as another nonsense falsehood.

Countless studies have shown this to be completely false. It was an urban myth made up by hysterical adults. The same ones who said the band Kiss is a satanic cult and that rock music leads to immorality, dog waste cures infections, babies shouldn't be allowed to touch themselves, and every other ridiculous nonsense claim.

These criminals are essentially never gamers. Gamers have an incredible ability to separate reality from pretend gaming. Pretend gaming has nothing to do with "desensitizing" - in fact it is shown to increase creative thinking and imagination.

Giving any visibility to this deception is a very damaging distraction.

Neil K Walk · #50 05-20-2018, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyghthawk

Owners, be responsible. Secure your weapons. Please.

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Originally Posted by Nailpicker

And parents, talk with, probe, pry, delve into, communicate with and do everything you can to know what's going on in your children's lives, what they're thinking, why they are thinking it and try to steer them back on course if they are veering off course. Know who they are associating with.

I refuse to be baited into the debate, but I see these as the two most sensible posts in this thread - and they were on page one. Nothing more need be said.

Have a nice day.

rokdog49 · #51 05-20-2018, 10:26 AM

I can only offer my support in the way I choose to give it my and heartfelt sympathy for these tragic losses. That's all I have.

TaoMaas · #52 05-20-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fazool

You've been duped. About five-to-ten years ago this was everyone's favorite scapegoat. It has become recognized as another nonsense falsehood.

Countless studies have shown this to be completely false. It was an urban myth made up by hysterical adults. The same ones who said the band Kiss is a satanic cult and that rock music leads to immorality, dog waste cures infections, babies shouldn't be allowed to touch themselves, and every other ridiculous nonsense claim.

If violent video games or KISS were causing people to act out, then all those Bugs Bunny, Roadrunner, and Popeye cartoons would have us doing really crazy stuff to each other. lol On a more serious note, would it help if schools truly adopted a zero-tolerance policy on bullying? It seems to be a common thread in many shootings as well as teen suicides.

Gmountain · #53 05-20-2018, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TaoMaas

If violent video games or KISS were causing people to act out, then all those Bugs Bunny, Roadrunner, and Popeye cartoons would have us doing really crazy stuff to each other. lol On a more serious note, would it help if schools truly adopted a zero-tolerance policy on bullying? It seems to be a common thread in many shootings as well as teen suicides.

If schools adopt a zero tolerance policy on bullying, which many have, then what? How would they control what goes on when kids are not in school? Once kids are out of school, it's not the schools business, is it?

Perhaps the policy should be to let kids sort it out and learn to deal with it in grade school. Not interfere with learning life's lessons early. Learn that life can be unfair and develop coping strategies.

Just a thought.

Gmountain · #54 05-20-2018, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TaoMaas

If violent video games or KISS were causing people to act out, then all those Bugs Bunny, Roadrunner, and Popeye cartoons would have us doing really crazy stuff to each other. lol On a more serious note, would it help if schools truly adopted a zero-tolerance policy on bullying? It seems to be a common thread in many shootings as well as teen suicides.

We did. How many of us jumped off the roof with an umbrella or cape?

HodgdonExtreme · #55 05-20-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rmyAddison

It happens because we allow it to happen, and it's disgusting.

No other country has this problem, stop pretending...........

Simply not true. You might be able to argue the US has a bigger problem, but we are not alone in experiencing deranged people killing people in schools.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/...mass-shootings

Personally, I think it comes down to how culture teaches people how to resolve disputes. Boys resorting to fisticuffs may not have been ideal, but back when that was how disputes were resolved, children didn't seem to mow down other children; in school or otherwise.

BrunoBlack · #56 05-20-2018, 12:12 PM

Well it’s a larger problem than kids killing kids. For whatever reason(s), there’s this.

perttime · #57 05-20-2018, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Haasome

Well it’s a larger problem than kids killing kids. For whatever reason(s), there’s this.

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The numbers for Japan and ROK are easy to explain because very few there have guns. Homicides are committed by other means. The listing contains countries where there are lots of guns in ordinary people's hands. Those guns are rarely used to kill another person.

I've gathered that USA is also among those countries where blades and blunt objects are used for homicide more often than guns. Don't have a source handy right now, and it is time for me to shut down.

HodgdonExtreme · #58 05-20-2018, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Haasome

Well it’s a larger problem than kids killing kids. For whatever reason(s), there’s this.

To make a more "apples to apples" comparison, should really compare just "murders" and not "gun murders"...

That is, unless a gun murder is somehow worse than a knife murder or a car/truck murder.

Here is an interesting link as such:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._homicide_rate

Gmountain · #59 05-20-2018, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Haasome

Well it’s a larger problem than kids killing kids. For whatever reason(s), there’s this.

That's deceptive. You also have to look and see where the majority of murders are committed. It's not evenly spread out.

That list also includes suicides. Suicide to me seems like a personal decision. It may be bad, and it certainly is tragc, but it's not a crime and it's not a murder.

When it comes down to innocent people being murdered, the number is extremely low. I agree that even a low number is a bad thing.