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Old 12-30-2018, 03:39 PM
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Default Zoom H5 vs two large diaphragm mics

Two raw recordings, no eq or gain adjustments at all.

MXL 990 at the headstock, back about 12-15" pointing at the fretboard and the AT 2035 at the lower bout about 18-20" back from the bridge at an angle and pointing at the soundhole. The input volume for the mics was 4.5:




Zoom H5 at the same position of the AT 2035 above, but closer by about 4-5". The input volume was 5.75.



To my ears the spaced pair has more clarity, but I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks.
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Old 12-30-2018, 03:50 PM
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Yep .. the recording with the 2 condensers sounds way more open and clear.
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Old 12-30-2018, 04:29 PM
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yes, the 2 mics spaced pair, Barry. I think they are not balanced however.....so I hear one a bit more in my headphones than the other....but it might be just me. I'm hearing more in my right side than left.
By the way......the little phrase you played is one of your best for pure melody and interest!.....Just sayin'!!!
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Now that's a nice way to start a melody off. Go from there. For example you could next vary the melody to something like (assuming this was DADGAD).
Keep at it.


9-6-9-4-2-(1-1)-1-2-1-1--------
----------------------------4-(2-2)
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Get the volume R and L about equal and amplify both to be much louder.
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Wait guys, I'd love to take credit for that melody, but it belongs to Simon Fox.
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Wait guys, I'd love to take credit for that melody, but it belongs to Simon Fox.
Well darn. Keep listening and absorbing.
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Well darn. Keep listening and absorbing.
It is encouraging though that you and Fred thought I could compose something like that.

Back to the woodshed
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Sound wise I think you have the MXL 990 and AT 2035 large diaphragm recording panned in. Should keep it hard R and L, not panned towards center.

If not that then there is some other problem.
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Sound wise I think you have the MXL 990 and AT 2035 large diaphragm recording panned in. Should keep it hard R and L, not panned towards center.

If not that then there is some other problem.
Both recordings are raw right off the sd card of the Zoom which is set to record in stereo. The external mics were a guitar length apart. I'm curious as to why it sounds centered when it's recording in stereo. I'll look into this, thanks.
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Sound wise I think you have the MXL 990 and AT 2035 large diaphragm recording panned in. Should keep it hard R and L, not panned towards center.

If not that then there is some other problem.
I put the raw MXL990/AT2035 into Adobe and used the Max Expansion effect.

Max Expansion:


Original:


I hear an improvement. I'll have to make sure I do this as part of my normal processing. I guess I should do this first in my processing chain.

Maybe at some point I should upgrade my computer speakers. I'm using part of a 5.1 Logitech speaker system that is a more than a few years old.
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It is encouraging though that you and Fred thought I could compose something like that.

Back to the woodshed
Ha! That's funny! But, as Rick indicated, I think absorbing stuff like this can make a difference in our own compositions......if not, I'm puttin' in way too much time!
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Ha! That's funny! But, as Rick indicated, I think absorbing stuff like this can make a difference in our own compositions......if not, I'm puttin' in way too much time!
The quality of the work both you and Rick have posted has giving me plenty of inspiration and something to strive for. Thanks.
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Max Expansion effect was different but I don't think that is the way to fix the issue.


Watch the video below and see if it helps:
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The quality of the work both you and Rick have posted has giving me plenty of inspiration and something to strive for. Thanks.
Barry....my thanks!
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Max Expansion effect was different but I don't think that is the way to fix the issue.


Watch the video below and see if it helps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-_vBPFJBkM
I have to look at that some more. It seems that using multi file mode allows you to adjust the pan at the recording point, but multi file mode creates a left track and a right track. Also stereo mode gives better quality. I'll play around with that. I had downloaded the free Ozone imager and if I max out the sliders I get a good wide stereo field. Here's some samples (more of the same as above):

1. Basic file ran through Rx Elements with Ozone Imager plugin maxed out:


2. Basic file ran through Audacity's stereo split with full pan and then processed in Rx 7 Elements with Ozone imager maxed out:


I like #2 better. It may be easier and less of a learning curve for me to work it this way for now, until I have a better grasp of what is going on.

Considering that I'm recording just one guitar, and have a certain playing style, and can record in one location that is consistent, I should be able to piece together a method of recording and stable processing chain that will create good quality and consistent music files. I may have to tweak small things like string squeaks once in a while or a dog barking, but otherwise its basic stuff.

The thing is I don't really understand the whys of any of this and that's the big missing piece. This will fall into place over time as I educate myself. I don't even understand the "db" measuring stick of sound which is embarrassing, but true. What I really need is a "What is sound" course in the context of recording an acoustic guitar and how the wave display coincides with a spectral display and how it all lines up with the db scale, etc. Anyone have any suggestions of where to start, either video or books, let me know, I would appreciate it.
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