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I suppose one of the benefits of relatively free societies is that we each get to decide how to spend our “disposable” income. In my case being realistic about my ability is the best protection for my wallet - I generally stop looking when instruments break the $2000 point and I won’t even pick up something over $3000.
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It’s all about context. If guitar is your life and you play 5 hours every day 13k for a froggy is no big deal. For me I play casually here and there so 2k on a Taylor is sufficient for me
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... and $18,949.78 in Australian dollars.
... plus shipping. ... plus 5% Import Duty.* ... plus 10% Sales Tax * Australia-US have a Free Trade Agreement, with correct declaration paperwork from seller item can be bought in 'Duty Exempt'.
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I think the problem statement can be summarized as this: "If I can't afford it, then it's priced too high, and how dare these guitar companies do this!"
Which is certainly one way to look at the world.
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You missed the point. The hole/market niche/opportunity requires a more specific sort of the data:
1) $500 - $1500 (new price) 2) Solid wood 3) Made in USA. If you expand item 3 to be Made in North America, many Godin lines/models would qualify. Quote:
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The other thing you can do is a rough calculation of gross income/revenue vs all cost/expenditures for SCGC who builds ~400 guitars/year — or Froggy Bottom who builds ~100 guitars/year — and I think you’ll be surprised what’s left on the balance sheet. |
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Let's say for arguments' sake that hole in the market does exist...there are no shortage of entrepreneurs who would have rushed to fill it if it were financially a smart move to do so. It's telling that, thus far, no one has.
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The only corners they cut to meet that price point was to replace Waverley tuners with Schaller, give it a satin finish and skip the volute...none of which effect tone or playability. So Bourgeois is actually trying to push prices down to become accessible to more folks. I’ve got one coming in Monday. Looking forward to owning my first “budget” boutique guitar. Here’s Dana explaining why he chose to make this move...
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I'm 74 years old.
In 1968 a SS 396 Camero Indy Pace Car Convertable with Hurst 4 speed was $3,600. My first House in 1972 in Squaw Valley was 20 K. A pair of Rossignol Skis was a 120 buck with Marker bindings. What dos that tell me ??? No Price On a GOOD TIME. Grow up... If you don't want to pay for the best......Don't. But to each his/her own.
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As a consumer, I don't have worry about the business aspects. If Godin can do it in Canada, there is no reason an established builder in the U.S. can't do it, too (Fender, Gibson, Martin, Taylor). It is unlikely that a small startup or entrepreneur would be able finance such a project. But, just because the major players are not doing it does not mean that a market niche doesn't exist. The US car makers found that out the hard way in the 80s when the Japanese exploited the market for smaller cars with better quality at a lower price. The large, established companies in most industries are slow to change and often miss new opportunities. In today's world, it would pay benefits if the "establishment" of US guitar companies would look for new markets, even if those are subsets of existing markets.
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Well, depending on one's level of cynicism. But crazier things have happened. I'm sure there are examples of outsiders noting trends that people too close to the situation have missed, and made millions by pointing it out and making a killing on a consulting fee.
Can't think of any concrete examples off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's gotta be some.
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I'd be happy to do so.
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There are lots of examples. The Swiss watchmaking industry was devastated by one of their own inventions, the quartz movement (electronic) watch. Texas Instruments and Seiko saw opportunities the Swiss themselves were too close to see and ultimately TI and Seiko took most of the entire world market for watches.
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