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Old 11-08-2018, 04:07 PM
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Bought one. Used it on three different guitars. Noticed no difference. Sold it for the same price I bought it for.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:15 PM
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It seems to me that if you can use the ToneRite to vibrate the guitar enough to loosen the top or back such that it falls off, then the guitar has really opened up such that nobody can ignore the effect the ToneRite has had. End of controversy.

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Old 11-08-2018, 05:40 PM
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My stance about Tonerite and similar gadgets is the same as my attitude toward "relic'ed" guitars: I consider both means to "improve" the instrument without going to the effort of actually playing it.
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Old 11-08-2018, 06:31 PM
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My stance about Tonerite and similar gadgets is the same as my attitude toward "relic'ed" guitars: I consider both means to "improve" the instrument without going to the effort of actually playing it.
How about wanting your guitar to sound as good as possible?

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Old 11-08-2018, 07:19 PM
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It seems like it would be easy to create an experiment with two new guitars of the same model and the same strings. Verify that they sound the same. Record. Use Tonerite on one of the guitars and keep the other one in its case. Record them again.
Someone must have done this.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:04 PM
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FWIW, it was awfully interesting to hear the following opinion from six of the greatest experts in the world (Linda Manzer, Michael Gurian, Chuck Ericsson, Roger Sadowsky, Dick Boak and Richard Hoover) at the Woodstock Invitational Builders Coffee Talk this year: “Guitars need to be played hard in order to sound their best.”

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:36 PM
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The ToneRite works pretty well on some guitars, not so well on others. The bracing pattern on Larrivée guitars seems to make them immune to the ToneRite, but Martins and - especially - lightly constructed custom guitars definitely show an effect.

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:36 PM
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With every Tonerite thread (and thread resurrection), I think about buying one of the darn things, just so I can rent it out to to the curious at a tidy profit.
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It seems like it would be easy to create an experiment with two new guitars of the same model and the same strings. Verify that they sound the same. Record. Use Tonerite on one of the guitars and keep the other one in its case. Record them again.
Someone must have done this.
Here is research paper on vibrational devices titled:

Effect of Vibration Treatment on Guitar Tone:
A Comparative Study


https://www.savartjournal.org/index....iewFile/22/pdf

My own experience parallels that of Wade's, it worked well on some guitars, not so well on others. I considered it a worthwhile investment for the return.

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The ToneRite works pretty well on some guitars, not so well on others.
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Here is research paper on vibrational devices titled:

Effect of Vibration Treatment on Guitar Tone:
A Comparative Study


https://www.savartjournal.org/index....iewFile/22/pdf

My own experience parallels that of Wade's, it worked well on some guitars, not so well on others. I considered it a worthwhile investment for the return.
From the study: “The results indicate that there was no statistically significant effect of the vibration treatment on any of the five measured qualities of the guitars”
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From the study: “The results indicate that there was no statistically significant effect of the vibration treatment on any of the five measured qualities of the guitars”
The beauty or aka caveats of scientific studies...

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We also do not make conclusions about possible effects of more vigorous vibration treatment, including that of playing the guitar for
decades, or of the effects of simple aging on guitar tone. We do however suggest that the methods utilized in this study can be used to investigate the effects of these treatments and others on wooden string instruments of various types.
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it worked well on some guitars, not so well on others.
YMMV
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In all seriousness, if people just buy a guitar they like the sound of, they wouldn’t need a tonerite.

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Old 11-09-2018, 07:17 AM
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In all seriousness, if people just buy a guitar they like the sound of, they wouldn’t need a tonerite.
You've missed the point. The idea is that the tonerite will improve the sound of the guitar as can happen over time just by playing it.
If you bought a guitar and loved its sound, just imagine it sounding 10 or 20% better right away with the use of a device.
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:27 AM
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You've missed the point. The idea is that the tonerite will improve the sound of the guitar as can happen over time just by playing it.
If you bought a guitar and loved its sound, just imagine it sounding 10 or 20% better right away with the use of a device.
dneals’s comment is spot on. There’s no indication that a Tonerite will allow it to sound “10 or 20% better right away”, nor is there such a claim. The only consensus, if that, is that it will make the guitar sound different. That could be better and that could be worse.

Way too many people buy acoustic guitars unplayed and then reach for every trick in the book to make them sound like the audio clip they listened to that convinced them to pull the trigger. A lot more due diligence on the front end would alleviate a lot of mistakes.
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Old 11-09-2018, 08:27 AM
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I have used Tonerite on a few guitars and it has had an effect on them for the better, according to my ears. Don't get me wrong, I liked the sound of these guitars when I first got them, but the Tonerite treatment made them even better to my ears. On some more than others, for sure.

The naysayers will naysay and make derisive comments, as they do. I'll be over here enjoying the sound of my guitars.

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