Nylon vs Classical

[Dave T]

It would appear my original post has upset so many of you I feel I should retract it and propose the following:

AGF should have only one forum…Guitars. We don't dare exclude anyone, including electrics. Total diversity here, in fact having an "acoustic" forum is exclusionary. Better re-name the whole thing "GuitarForum" and talk about everything and anything that is even slightly related to any and every guitar, all in one inclusive forum.

Moderators, please close this thread!

Dave

[AfterViewer]

This thread is classic. (emocon playing nylon).

[AfterViewer]

Originally Posted by Guitar1083

Don't know. Medieval 500–1400
William Byrd = Renaissance 1400–1600
Bach = Baroque 1600–1760
Mozart = Classical 1730–1820
Beethoven = Romantic 1780–1910
and so on

The Classical Era for Guitar was ushered in when Segovia took the stage to demand that the guitar be taken as a serious solo instrument, as profound as, shudder, the piano. With or without orchestral accompaniment. When the celebrated grand players (continuing on 'til today) also presented works by Bach, etc. besides the compositions of the Spanish Guitar comp masters, the guitar lost it's folk-status placement in the world of arrangements.

[Guitar1083]

Originally Posted by AfterViewer

The Classical Era for Guitar was ushered in when Segovia took the stage to demand that the guitar be taken as a serious solo instrument, as profound as, shudder, the piano. With or without orchestral accompaniment. When the celebrated grand players (continuing on 'til today) also presented works by Bach, etc. besides the compositions of the Spanish Guitar comp masters, the guitar lost it's folk-status placement in the world of arrangements.

usher is a singer

[AfterViewer]

"They were ushered into the theater (concert hall) with the other "folks" to hear the celebrated classical guitarist play (Segovia the Andalusian)."

[ukejon]

Originally Posted by Dave T

It would appear my original post has upset so many of you I feel I should retract it and propose the following:

AGF should have only one forum…Guitars. We don't dare exclude anyone, including electrics. Total diversity here, in fact having an "acoustic" forum is exclusionary. Better re-name the whole thing "GuitarForum" and talk about everything and anything that is even slightly related to any and every guitar, all in one inclusive forum.

Moderators, please close this thread!

Dave

DaveT, no need at all to close this down. It has been a good, thought provoking thread. No one is upset....typical passionate, well informed AGF discourse.

[Guitar1083]

Originally Posted by AfterViewer

we know what people say about Les Paul & Leo Fender. because there are guitars that tell the story for the past 60+ years, then i wind up educating my friends about Segovia and how he brought the guitar to a concert instrument, back when Banjos and Mandolins were in big bands - guitar being such a low sounding instrument was only played by solo artist, when Segovia play the play would have to be so quite that you could hear a pin drop.

So thank god for Segovia

[AfterViewer]

Segovia didn't want to be associated with Flamecan 'folky" guitar culture. [/QUOTE]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya-ekUD4yTk

[ZippyChip]

I see this as a place for classical guitarist and those that dabble in classical music. It seems to me that if you are not interested in classical guitar playing and do not consider yourself as someone that has any interest or pride in the history of the kind of guitar you are playing, then perhaps this is not the place for you to be hanging out.

[ukejon]

"....pride in the history of the kind of guitar you are playing"?

Didn't realize there were such draconian restrictions. So Jerry Reed, Earl Klugh, Chet Atkins, John Knowles, Willie Nelson, Jose Feliciano, and for a spell Leo Kottke were all being disrespectful to their "classical" guitars?

[AfterViewer]

I'm afraid, YES. Now if we were talking about accordions, then no.

[brucefulton]

Originally Posted by ukejon

What happened to "I'm done"? Guess you were using a polysemic interpretation of the word "done".

....just teasing. Clearly you are very passionate about this topic and nothing anyone else says will sway your opinion. That's cool....

Well, I figured the whole argument would die. But so many people have posted in with didactic yet wildly divergent opinions that it is clear that my polysemic definitional proposition is fully supported by virtue of the disagreement. The more argument there is, the more my proposition is supported. I couldn't help but point that out.

Carry on.

[brucefulton]

Originally Posted by ZippyChip

I see this as a place for classical guitarist and those that dabble in classical music. It seems to me that if you are not interested in classical guitar playing and do not consider yourself as someone that has any interest or pride in the history of the kind of guitar you are playing, then perhaps this is not the place for you to be hanging out.

That's one definition.

[brucefulton]

Originally Posted by ukejon

"....pride in the history of the kind of guitar you are playing"?

Didn't realize there were such draconian restrictions. So Jerry Reed, Earl Klugh, Chet Atkins, John Knowles, Willie Nelson, Jose Feliciano, and for a spell Leo Kottke were all being disrespectful to their "classical" guitars?

That's another.

[ukejon]

Originally Posted by brucefulton

Well, I figured the whole argument would die. But so many people have posted in with didactic yet wildly divergent opinions that it is clear that my polysemic definitional proposition is fully supported by virtue of the disagreement. The more argument there is, the more my proposition is supported. I couldn't help but point that out.

Carry on.

Bruce, the fact that "classical" may or may not function as a polyseme does not necessarily mean that it is a better header for this section than "nylon". Despite your claims, your own logic in fact it is rather circular (something to the effect that "Classical guitar has in years past been the accepted word for nylon string guitars, therefore I must be correct that all nylon string guitars should today be called classical--including Spanish/flamenco traditional style instruments, but also some gypsy, solid body, thin body, jazz, silent, and crossover nylon guitars as well). And as to the notion that "The more argument there is, the more my proposition is supported", well that simply reflects the fact that you are not listening to anyone else. You say that Classical is the universal term for all nylon string guitars while others are saying here that today it is not necessarily an accurate or accepted term for all types of nylon string guitars. Therefore as the OP and others have asked, is the broader term "nylon string guitar"a more inclusive and clear term for this or another category on AGF.

Not a giant issue, to be sure, and we can simply agree to disagree. With the introduction of more and more nylon string guitars, maybe the terminology will evolve a bit or maybe it won't.....no crystal ball on this one.