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Old 10-01-2007, 07:56 AM
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The Dead were poor musicians who played out of tune. The Beatles sang out of tune. Miles played out of tune and had no range. Go figure.

Of course I'm being facetious; people will hear what they want to hear.
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:07 AM
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i agree, i never got it, or alot of other "music" out there........
of course i never got bob dylan either, until i was having marital problems, then the only song i wanted to hear was don't think twice.
i think it's about the words, not the notes
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Old 10-03-2007, 09:00 AM
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I'm reading Phil Lesh's book right now. He studied with some real heavy hitters of the classical world.

In my opinion of you don't 'get' the Dead, its probably over your head.
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Old 10-03-2007, 09:40 AM
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In my opinion of you don't 'get' the Dead, its probably over your head.
Now that's not very nice

The wife got me Phil's autobiography for my birthday last month, & I read it in two days (something I never do w/ books). Pretty fascinating... I got the sense that he actually wrote the thing, unlike so many other autobiographies, which are ghost written. He's quite the learned soul, in many ways.

What a long, strange trip...
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Old 10-03-2007, 10:04 AM
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I also read Phil Lesh's autobiography and found it fascinating. He paints the band/crew as unrestrained hedonists (albeit with some lofty musical goals). The GD were a cultural phenomenon. What explains the unlimited devotion of many of its followers?

The Dead experience reached out and grabbed many people. Perhaps it was just the music. Perhaps it was the sense of belonging/community automatically imparted upon participants. Perhaps there was something more sinister under the surface.

Feel free to disagree, but I don't think it was a very healthy scene for band or fan (written from the perspective of someone who was once a huge fan and saw the band 30 times in concert). I sure did like the music at the time.
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Feel free to disagree, but I don't think it was a very healthy scene for band or fan ....
In the beginning of the days of the Dead there was the counter culture and white American culture...you know, the one's that gave us Vietnam. Which was healthier? LSD or Vietnam? I will go with LSD. I still live with disabilities from Vietnam...can't say the same about those acid trips I took in the 1960's.
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Sorry about my comment being construed as not nice. It was not intended to be mean or 'not nice'. If I have offended anyone I apologize.

My point is The Grateful Dead did their music homework.
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:20 AM
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The comment didn't bother me, but then I'm one of those who 'got' the Dead I just couldn't let that one pass

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Perhaps it was just the music. Perhaps it was the sense of belonging/community automatically imparted upon participants. Perhaps there was something more sinister under the surface.

Feel free to disagree, but I don't think it was a very healthy scene for band or fan (written from the perspective of someone who was once a huge fan and saw the band 30 times in concert). I sure did like the music at the time.
As was probably stated three pages back, it was all of that: music, sense of community, and bad juju involving various drugs and associated behavior... Late stage of their career, you had to take alot of bad with the good to see a show: higher ticket costs due to high insurance costs (which came from several incidents where 'fans' stormed shows, etc.), fewer available venues, a seriously ugly element in some people in the audience, and resulting issues & attitude from security working the venues. C'est la vie; the effects of being too popular. For me it eventually got to be like Yogi Berra's comment about a restaurant: "Nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded!"

I like what David Crosby had to say about the 60s hippie era (parapharasing now): Well it turns out we were right about the Vietnam war, we were right about human rights for all, we were right about loving your brother, and we were right about protecting the environment. Turns out we were wrong about one thing: the drugs.

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I think that the whole drug thing tarnishes the Dead's image. . . .and that's too bad because from what I can gather, for the members of the band it was always about the music.

These guys were phenomenal musicians, each in and of their own right.

Those of you that do not 'get' the Grateful Dead, I urge you to back up and gain a new perspective. Try to cast aside classifications and stereo types and re-approach their music.

Get your hands on a good bootleg and give the music another listen.

This stuff is good, and they were drawing from so many forms of American music it would be a real shame to miss out on what they had to offer. Especially if they were a touring band in your life time.

When I first read this thread, I'll admit, I took offense. However, after giving this some thought and trying understand why someone may not 'get' them, I've been inspired to add this post.

It is what it is, take it lightly, take it with a grain of salt, but if your curious at all, please take my advice.

sincerely.
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Old 10-03-2007, 02:43 PM
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In the beginning of the days of the Dead there was the counter culture and white American culture...you know, the one's that gave us Vietnam. Which was healthier? LSD or Vietnam? I will go with LSD. I still live with disabilities from Vietnam...can't say the same about those acid trips I took in the 1960's.
Yoder, I'm sorry you have disabilities from Vietnam and that we were even involved over there. However, I don't think it is an either or situation--I'd argue that both were pretty unhealthy.

No doubt the Dead had good intentions going into it all, but unrestrained hedonism wrecked havoc with their lives (e.g. from Weir's song: "May be goin' to hell in a bucket but at least we're enjoyin' the ride"), the music, and the spirit of the thing. By the time I got involved in 1980, I would argue, it was very far from peace/love/good vibes for all. This is, of course, only my opinion based on my experience. Certainly, YMMV.
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check out today's Shoe comic strip .... (10/3/07)

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Mr. Earthworm, as long as we are using quotation marks, lets make accuarate quotations. ..

That's actually:

"I may be goin' to hell in a bucket, babe, but at least I'm enjoyin' the ride."

. . .lets also put it in the appropriate context. That was a reaction to remarks Tina Turner had made regarding the Grateful Dead when the press asked her about their tour in comparison to hers. The Dead in their later years always seemed to have a top grossing tour.. .. she made a statement, and this is not a direct quote, about them going to hell in a bucket.

Hell In A Bucket

Well I was drinkin' last night with a biker
And I showed him a picture of you
I said, "Pal get to know her, you'll like her
Seemed like the least I could do.

Cause when he's chargin' his chopper
Up and down your carpeted halls
You will think it by contrast quite proper
Never mind how I stumble and fall.

Never mind how I stumble and fall.
You imagine me sipping champagne from your boot
For taste of your elegant pride

I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe
But at least I'm enjoyin' the ride,
At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.
Yeah, at least I'm enjoyin' the ride.

Now miss sweet little soft-core pretender
Somehow baby, it got as hard as it gets
With her black leather chrome spiked suspenders
Her chair, and her whip and her pets.

Well we know you're the reincarnation
Of the ravenous Catherine the Great
And we know how you love your ovations
For the Z-rated scenes you create.
The Z-rated scenes you create.

You imagine me sipping champagne from your boot
For taste of your elegant pride
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe
At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.
Yeah, at least I'm enjoyin' the ride.

You analyze me, pretend to despise me
You laugh when I stumble and fall
There may come a day when I will dance on your grave
If unable to dance I'll still crawl across it
Unable to dance I'll still crawl
Unable to dance I'll crawl.

You must really consider the circus
It just might be your kind of zoo
I can't think of a place that's more perfect
For a person as perfect as you.

And it's not like I'm leaving you lonely
Cause I wouldn't know where to begin
Well I know that you'll think of me only
When the snakes come marching in.
When the snakes come marching in.

You imagine me sipping champagne from your boot
For taste of your elegant pride
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe
At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.
Ride, ride, ride
Ride, ride, ride
Ride, ride, ride
At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.
At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.
At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.
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Blues for Allah is a cool album.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:35 AM
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Deadhead,

I don't expect you to embrace my conclusions about the band you love. I also admit my views about the GD require a dualistic cosmology. I stand by the views, nonetheless, and could throw lots of lyrics your way in support of my thesis (I won't bore this thread, however).

What I think was really going on with the Dead is encapsulated on the cover of their greatest hits album.


I'll bow out of this thread now and let you and others have the last word.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:40 AM
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I also admit my views about the GD require a dualistic cosmology.
Wow, what's that ?
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