NGD: McPherson Sable: First Carbon Fiber - Page 4

Kerbie · #46 03-03-2020, 06:28 AM

Congratulations, Dave. Look forward to hearing more about it. And let me know when you want to change your user name.

kramster · #47 03-03-2020, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerbie

Congratulations, Dave. Look forward to hearing more about it. And let me know when you want to change your user name.

A new name is in order... good idea

steelvibe · #48 03-03-2020, 07:58 AM

I didn't think it had a truss rod? If it does it is not adjustable. There isn't a TRC on the headstock end. The guitars ship with 2 saddles for medium and low action, and I asked the shop owner about it- he confirmed no truss rod? Of course he is primarily a vintage electric guru and his knowledge/ enthusiasm about acoustic guitars was in his wooden models. The necks will not move, and I wouldn't hesitate to drop 3K+ on it without an adjustable rod- it will survive anything.

Fit and finish the guitar is immaculate.

martingitdave · #49 03-03-2020, 09:26 AM

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Congratulations, Dave. Look forward to hearing more about it. And let me know when you want to change your user name.

LOL! My heart still belongs to a D-28. But, I am a fairly open minded traditionalist. I suspect I'll end up with a number of different brands in the end.

martingitdave · #50 03-03-2020, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by steelvibe

I didn't think it had a truss rod? If it does it is not adjustable. There isn't a TRC on the headstock end. The guitars ship with 2 saddles for medium and low action, and I asked the shop owner about it- he confirmed no truss rod? Of course he is primarily a vintage electric guru and his knowledge/ enthusiasm about acoustic guitars was in his wooden models. The necks will not move, and I wouldn't hesitate to drop 3K+ on it without an adjustable rod- it will survive anything.

Fit and finish the guitar is immaculate.

My understanding is that it does not have a reinforcement rod, based on the video I watched. It appears to use a structural lattice of carbon in the center of the carbon neck. The young's modulus of this carbon layup is significantly higher than steel or wood. That means the "elasticity" or ability to resist deflection is higher than a neck made of steel. I'm curious what that means in practical use. But, I am very excited because the guitar will arrive tomorrow.

blue4now · #51 03-03-2020, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by martingitdave

My understanding is that it does not have a reinforcement rod, based on the video I watched. It appears to use a structural lattice of carbon in the center of the carbon neck. The young's modulus of this carbon layup is significantly higher than steel or wood. That means the "elasticity" or ability to resist deflection is higher than a neck made of steel. I'm curious what that means in practical use. But, I am very excited because the guitar will arrive tomorrow.

I wanted an older Rainsong with the N1 (no truss rod) neck but hesitated for years because I had concerns about the lack of adjust-ability. I finally found one that was in great shape and decided to take the chance. That guitar is about 13 years old and the relief is dead on perfect. I have absolutely no concerns about a CF guitar with non adjustable truss rod

tbeltrans · #52 03-03-2020, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by steelvibe

I didn't think it had a truss rod? If it does it is not adjustable. There isn't a TRC on the headstock end. The guitars ship with 2 saddles for medium and low action, and I asked the shop owner about it- he confirmed no truss rod? Of course he is primarily a vintage electric guru and his knowledge/ enthusiasm about acoustic guitars was in his wooden models. The necks will not move, and I wouldn't hesitate to drop 3K+ on it without an adjustable rod- it will survive anything.

Fit and finish the guitar is immaculate.

The McPherson truss rod is not adjustable according to Larry in the video I mentioned. I will see if I can find that video. At about 5:43 in the video, he talks about the neck, and Larry specifically refers to the "truss rod". He says that the "carbon neck" is "twice as stiff as steel".

It seems that when we hear the word "truss rod" we always assume it is adjustable. This is not the first time I have heard of a guitar having a truss rod that was not adjustable, though I can't remember what guitar(s) that was in reference to since I wasn't overly concerned since I didn't own, nor was planning to purchase, whatever guitars being discussed.

Based on Larry saying that the guitar does have a truss rod and also that the neck is completely carbon fiber, I don't know if the truss rod is a separate object from the rest of the neck or if it is somehow a part of the neck. He doesn't seem to make that distinction.

Larry also says, earlier in the video that the EVO material for the frets is "4 times harder than nickel" fret material. He doesn't make a comparison to stainless steel.

Tony

tbeltrans · #53 03-03-2020, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by martingitdave

My understanding is that it does not have a reinforcement rod, based on the video I watched. It appears to use a structural lattice of carbon in the center of the carbon neck. The young's modulus of this carbon layup is significantly higher than steel or wood. That means the "elasticity" or ability to resist deflection is higher than a neck made of steel. I'm curious what that means in practical use. But, I am very excited because the guitar will arrive tomorrow.

I would bet that when you get your guitar, all this discussion about truss rods and such won't matter because you will be into your new guitar.

It is only in forums such as this, or if something goes wrong with the guitar, that these things become an issue. I seriously doubt that anything will go wrong with your new guitar, but am also just as certain that these issues will continue to be front and center in forums.

Congratulations and may you enjoy many hours, weeks, and years playing it.

Tony

Dbone · #54 03-03-2020, 04:52 PM

These guys could probably make anything sound good, but man they sound great...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk70...em-uploademail

David Eastwood · #55 03-03-2020, 05:31 PM

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These guys could probably make anything sound good, but man they sound great...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk70...em-uploademail

Two very fine players on two very fine sounding guitars!

steelvibe · #56 03-03-2020, 05:39 PM

How does it sound in a mix?

Note there is no bass player either

I love this guitar and can't believe it wasn't on my radar.

David Eastwood · #57 03-03-2020, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by steelvibe

How does it sound in a mix?

Note there is no bass player either

I love this guitar and can't believe it wasn't on my radar.

Sounds good - but, in an ensemble like that, it's tough to focus on a particular guitar's attributes. I think the guy in the middle, in particular, would sound way better with heavier strings and getting rid of that awful clicky pick - he's not doing that McPherson any favours, and might just as well be playing anything.

Captain Jim · #58 03-03-2020, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dbone

These guys could probably make anything sound good, but man they sound great...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk70...em-uploademail

That was truly tasty! (note that I am way to old to say "boss"

)

Dbone · #59 03-03-2020, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Jim

That was truly tasty! (note that I am way to old to say "boss"

)

jdinco · #60 03-03-2020, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Jim

That was truly tasty! (note that I am way to old to say "boss"

)

I think the word these days is "It's dope" which has a different meaning to me. A child of the 60's.

Good playing, thanks for posting the videos !