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Old 09-19-2015, 11:42 PM
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Default Second multi-track recording - better (I think)

Lots to learn... trying dozens of variables (mics, gains, distances, orientations, and so much more in the DAW).

Here's a second two-track tune. I'm now using an AKG C535 EB just 4 short inches from the 14th fret. And for vocals I'm still using the Miktek PM9.

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https://soundcloud.com/david-lane-16...-your-burden-2
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Old 09-20-2015, 02:24 PM
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What version of Studio One are you running ?
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Old 09-20-2015, 02:48 PM
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I like what I'm hearing but I think both tracks would benefit from some compression and perhaps a little reverb on the guitar track.

I think the song itself is really very good.
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thanks for sharing...sounds good.

I remember my days of my first recordings...was friends with an older musician...I would make a recording on my little Tascam 4 track...play it for him...he would say it sounds good...but...do you have compression on this.(Would run out and buy a compressor) than play it for him with compression...and he would say...what EQ are you using? (time to run out and get a EQ unit) What effects are you using? (time to buy a quadraverb) LOL!!!!It feels like I spent about kazillion dollars.

Got to love the DAW setup now... a lot of great plugins to choose from..makes life a lot easier!!!
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Old 09-20-2015, 07:29 PM
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The second recording is a bit better than the first, and the first was not bad. There is a bit more space in the second take, although I do notice perhaps too much processing (e.g., guitar mic compression).

One thing regarding both takes, and this has more to do with diction/clarity than with recording...I have a hard time understanding the words you are singing. I would suggest that you work on your singing diction so that listeners such as myself can easily understand each word you sing.
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thanks for sharing...sounds good.

I remember my days of my first recordings...was friends with an older musician...I would make a recording on my little Tascam 4 track...play it for him...he would say it sounds good...but...do you have compression on this.(Would run out and buy a compressor) than play it for him with compression...and he would say...what EQ are you using? (time to run out and get a EQ unit) What effects are you using? (time to buy a quadraverb) LOL!!!!It feels like I spent about kazillion dollars.

Got to love the DAW setup now... a lot of great plugins to choose from..makes life a lot easier!!!
It can really add up quickly. I have a modest project studio that I put together primarily to record acoustic guitar and vocals, but between computers, microphones, mic pres, compressors, interfaces, synths, room treatment, etc., I've spend upwards of $40,000. I need some cheaper hobbies.
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I am not familier with studio one, I am asking if it has a multi-band eq with adjustable frequency and Q settings ?

Also It might be helpful (if you know how to take a screen shot) post one of your mixing window ? and a description of what you have done effects wise.
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It can really add up quickly. I have a modest project studio that I put together primarily to record acoustic guitar and vocals, but between computers, microphones, mic pres, compressors, interfaces, synths, room treatment, etc., I've spend upwards of $40,000. I need some cheaper hobbies.
yea....I'm there with ya...except the room treatment...how much do you think it would cost me? LMAO ...J/K...right now I'm spending all my cash on live equipment for acoustic duo project I'm in now...it certainly does add up...we all sound like music "Junkies/addicts" LOL!!!
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I am not familier with studio one, I am asking if it has a multi-band eq with adjustable frequency and Q settings ?

Also It might be helpful (if you know how to take a screen shot) post one of your mixing window ? and a description of what you have done effects wise.
Oh, OK. I can list what I've done pretty easily.

Guitar:
1) High Pass Filter at 200Hz
2) A pre-made "acoustic guitar compression"
3) A pre-made reverb to emulate a medium sized studio

Vocals:
1) High Pass Filter at 80Hz, small "bump" accentuation (3dB) at 1000Hz
2) A pre-made "male vocals compression"
3) A pre-made reverb to emulate a small sized studio
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Oh, OK. I can list what I've done pretty easily.

Guitar:
1) High Pass Filter at 200Hz
2) A pre-made "acoustic guitar compression"
3) A pre-made reverb to emulate a medium sized studio

Vocals:
1) High Pass Filter at 80Hz, small "bump" accentuation (3dB) at 1000Hz
2) A pre-made "male vocals compression"
3) A pre-made reverb to emulate a small sized studio
What does "pre-made" mean?

Granted, what makes a good mix is all very subjective and we all have different tastes, but when I listen to the song the attack on the guitar overwhelms everything else. If I were mixing that song, I'd try more compression to tame it, and if that didn't work, perhaps some subtractive EQ. Just my opinion, feel free to ignore it if you like the attack to be as present as it is.
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yea....I'm there with ya...except the room treatment...how much do you think it would cost me? LMAO ...J/K...right now I'm spending all my cash on live equipment for acoustic duo project I'm in now...it certainly does add up...we all sound like music "Junkies/addicts" LOL!!!
Room treatment costs less than I anticipated, but then again, I have a small room. I bought my stuff from the folks at GIK. They were very helpful in helping me figure out what I need and didn't try to oversell me. I think I spent something in the $600-700 range.
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What does "pre-made" mean?

Granted, what makes a good mix is all very subjective and we all have different tastes, but when I listen to the song the attack on the guitar overwhelms everything else. If I were mixing that song, I'd try more compression to tame it, and if that didn't work, perhaps some subtractive EQ. Just my opinion, feel free to ignore it if you like the attack to be as present as it is.
In Studio One, I can choose from a list of named FX's in each category. Compression has things like "Acoustic Guitar", "Drums", etc. Each has lots of adjustable things, so these are just starting points.

I'd like to thank everyone for their input. Clearly I've moved away from the idea that I would need to really spend some dough on the room, to critique of the performance and the mixing. So I'm very happy.

I'm going to continue to practice with mics and recording and mixing techniques, but I'm more stoked than ever. I think that a little room prep will allow me to use my half way decent collection of stage mics to make a darned nice CD with rhythm ac guitar, lead ac guitar, resonator, mandolin, banjo, three vocals, electric bass and hand drums.

The combination of Apogee One and iPad running Aura is great at facilitating the capture of individual tracks which are easily pushed to Dropbox and into my PC's Studio One.
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A 200Hz high pass filter seems awfully high. That's cutting everything from the G string on down.
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A 200Hz high pass filter seems awfully high. That's cutting everything from the G string on down.
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. I was doing it with the idea of giving some space for the bass player. Even my vocals I'd make more lush if I were a solo-singer.
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