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Old 08-01-2020, 04:36 AM
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Yo,

You might remember I was looking for a replacement for the Jam 100. I acted on one of the suggestions: play with placement. I bought a tripod for the Jam 100, first gig last night. Due to good weather they had us outside, but the amp had to be technically inside, so was just barely inside the door frame. Not optimal. We had it about at ear level. Still, I liked this setup better than having the amp behind us aimed at our lower backs.

I had a nasty hum on the amp when my guitar was plugged in, the ground switch on the back solved that. I think this was due to fluorescent lighting in the vestibule where the amp was located.

I still have a question: once again, we had to max out the JAM's volume on the channel where we had the Taylor plugged in - that was channel 3, as channels 1 and 2 we need for XLR mics. Is there some kind of box I could plug in to increase the level of the Taylor into the amp? Sort of an extra gain stage. I've heard about Play Acoustic, Body Rez, Aura, etc boxes ... I don't know much about them, for acoustic gigs I've always plugged straight into the amp.

Thanks (also for your suggestions on the placement!)
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An older post mentioned the Fishman Platinum Stage. Maybe that's what I am looking for, it's hard to tell how much gain the thing has though.
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Old 08-01-2020, 08:34 AM
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Yo,

You might remember I was looking for a replacement for the Jam 100. I acted on one of the suggestions: play with placement. I bought a tripod for the Jam 100, first gig last night. Due to good weather they had us outside, but the amp had to be technically inside, so was just barely inside the door frame. Not optimal. We had it about at ear level. Still, I liked this setup better than having the amp behind us aimed at our lower backs.

I had a nasty hum on the amp when my guitar was plugged in, the ground switch on the back solved that. I think this was due to fluorescent lighting in the vestibule where the amp was located.

I still have a question: once again, we had to max out the JAM's volume on the channel where we had the Taylor plugged in - that was channel 3, as channels 1 and 2 we need for XLR mics. Is there some kind of box I could plug in to increase the level of the Taylor into the amp? Sort of an extra gain stage. I've heard about Play Acoustic, Body Rez, Aura, etc boxes ... I don't know much about them, for acoustic gigs I've always plugged straight into the amp.

Thanks (also for your suggestions on the placement!)
There is as many boxes out there as there are
Posters on this forum. I use grace designs felix
Which works for me. But there are less costly
Preamps. A preamp is what your talking about.
Your preamp would need a 1/4 out.
If the Jams 1/4 in accepts balanced input you
Could go from the xlr Di out on whatever pre
You buy to a 1/4 input by buying the proper
Cord.like this.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-cable-10-foot
If the Taylor is a stock es2 I dont know why
Your having an issue. There is a pre in the es2
System?? Are you using an after market pickup
In the taylor? Lots of questions here to try
To help you figure it out.
You may also consider a mixing board as you
Have maxed out the jam having only 3 ch.
Assuming you have two vocalists and one guitar
Player??? A board will give you more xlr inputs.
How long is the cord from your guitar to the jam?

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Old 08-01-2020, 08:47 AM
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Hi,

Thanks for your answer. The ES2 in the Taylor is stock, I bought it in 2018 so the preamp in it is whatever was currrent at that time. The weak output of that vintage ES2 is well-known as far as I can tell.

I looked around a bit more and the Session DI looks really nice, if pricey. The specs are much clearer on what the possible gain is than of that Fishman Stage.
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The reason I asked about the cord length is a long unbalanced cord (over 20 ft) inherently
picks up noise . And signal strength degrades over distance.This is why we all use di outs
The Balanced signal cord has two signal
Wires sending two of the same signals only
180 degrees out of phase with each other.
This out of phase cancels the noise.
And loss over distance is minimal.
Sorry if you already know this.

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Old 08-01-2020, 09:37 AM
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Good morning Jaytee,

I too use a Jam 100 for certain gigs with guitar in ch 3. For some guitars I use a Baggs GigPro or MixPro preamp which I velcro to the side of the amp.

I'm surprised though your Taylor doesn't output enough signal. There may have been some Taylor internal preamp changes noted here on the Forum that you could research.
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:55 AM
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Hi,

Thanks for the info about the cord. It's certainly not just that. I have another guitar that has a MiSi preamp in it, I think the pickup is Baggs Element. I rarely gig with both guitars, but when I do, if I simply unplug the cable from the Taylor and immediately plug it into the other guitar, changing nothing else, it is WAY too loud, I have to reduce the gain on the Jam channel 3 from almost max to something like 9 o clock, which is more or less where the Mic gains are running.

The mic gains need to be around 9 or 10 because if they are set any higher, the gain on the guitar channel is already at max and there's no way left to get the sound balanced.
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:58 AM
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Good morning Jaytee,

I'm surprised though your Taylor doesn't output enough signal. There may have been some Taylor internal preamp changes noted here on the Forum that you could research.
It's well known apparently. I realized just now that I'm running the Taylor with all three controls at the center detent, whereas the other guitar doesn't have a volume and is always running flat out. Having to run the Taylor flat out defeats the purpose of having a volume control, but maybe I should compare the two with the volume control at max on the Taylor. I still think I'd need some extra gain though.
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:32 AM
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It's well known apparently. I realized just now that I'm running the Taylor with all three controls at the center detent, whereas the other guitar doesn't have a volume and is always running flat out. Having to run the Taylor flat out defeats the purpose of having a volume control, but maybe I should compare the two with the volume control at max on the Taylor. I still think I'd need some extra gain though.
I just purchased a Taylor with ES-2 in January. Same low output. It is weak compared to my other guitars with built in preamps. I do turn the volume knob up to 80%. I use that extra 20% when I play a few fingerpicked songs. I think I read the newest ES-2 version has a lowered gain since it reduced some of the harshness a lot of people didn’t like.
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Old 08-02-2020, 05:09 AM
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If you are happy with everything except the signal level, one of the inexpensive Behringers (~$30) come to mind, ADI21, EQ700 and even a TM300 tube amp modeler (set tone controls flat, clean, tweed, no mic, it adds value with an acoustic).
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Old 08-02-2020, 09:24 AM
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Yep, a preamp would probably solve the issue. Doesn't have to be too expensive unless you want EQ and other features.
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