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SR Jam 100, Duo, Taylor 324
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You might remember I was looking for a replacement for the Jam 100. I acted on one of the suggestions: play with placement. I bought a tripod for the Jam 100, first gig last night. Due to good weather they had us outside, but the amp had to be technically inside, so was just barely inside the door frame. Not optimal. We had it about at ear level. Still, I liked this setup better than having the amp behind us aimed at our lower backs. I had a nasty hum on the amp when my guitar was plugged in, the ground switch on the back solved that. I think this was due to fluorescent lighting in the vestibule where the amp was located. I still have a question: once again, we had to max out the JAM's volume on the channel where we had the Taylor plugged in - that was channel 3, as channels 1 and 2 we need for XLR mics. Is there some kind of box I could plug in to increase the level of the Taylor into the amp? Sort of an extra gain stage. I've heard about Play Acoustic, Body Rez, Aura, etc boxes ... I don't know much about them, for acoustic gigs I've always plugged straight into the amp. Thanks (also for your suggestions on the placement!)
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An older post mentioned the Fishman Platinum Stage. Maybe that's what I am looking for, it's hard to tell how much gain the thing has though.
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Posters on this forum. I use grace designs felix Which works for me. But there are less costly Preamps. A preamp is what your talking about. Your preamp would need a 1/4 out. If the Jams 1/4 in accepts balanced input you Could go from the xlr Di out on whatever pre You buy to a 1/4 input by buying the proper Cord.like this. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-cable-10-foot If the Taylor is a stock es2 I dont know why Your having an issue. There is a pre in the es2 System?? Are you using an after market pickup In the taylor? Lots of questions here to try To help you figure it out. You may also consider a mixing board as you Have maxed out the jam having only 3 ch. Assuming you have two vocalists and one guitar Player??? A board will give you more xlr inputs. How long is the cord from your guitar to the jam? Last edited by varmonter; 08-01-2020 at 08:47 AM. |
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Hi,
Thanks for your answer. The ES2 in the Taylor is stock, I bought it in 2018 so the preamp in it is whatever was currrent at that time. The weak output of that vintage ES2 is well-known as far as I can tell. I looked around a bit more and the Session DI looks really nice, if pricey. The specs are much clearer on what the possible gain is than of that Fishman Stage.
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The reason I asked about the cord length is a long unbalanced cord (over 20 ft) inherently
picks up noise . And signal strength degrades over distance.This is why we all use di outs The Balanced signal cord has two signal Wires sending two of the same signals only 180 degrees out of phase with each other. This out of phase cancels the noise. And loss over distance is minimal. Sorry if you already know this. Last edited by varmonter; 08-01-2020 at 09:26 AM. |
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Good morning Jaytee,
I too use a Jam 100 for certain gigs with guitar in ch 3. For some guitars I use a Baggs GigPro or MixPro preamp which I velcro to the side of the amp. I'm surprised though your Taylor doesn't output enough signal. There may have been some Taylor internal preamp changes noted here on the Forum that you could research.
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Hi,
Thanks for the info about the cord. It's certainly not just that. I have another guitar that has a MiSi preamp in it, I think the pickup is Baggs Element. I rarely gig with both guitars, but when I do, if I simply unplug the cable from the Taylor and immediately plug it into the other guitar, changing nothing else, it is WAY too loud, I have to reduce the gain on the Jam channel 3 from almost max to something like 9 o clock, which is more or less where the Mic gains are running. The mic gains need to be around 9 or 10 because if they are set any higher, the gain on the guitar channel is already at max and there's no way left to get the sound balanced.
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It's well known apparently. I realized just now that I'm running the Taylor with all three controls at the center detent, whereas the other guitar doesn't have a volume and is always running flat out. Having to run the Taylor flat out defeats the purpose of having a volume control, but maybe I should compare the two with the volume control at max on the Taylor. I still think I'd need some extra gain though.
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If you are happy with everything except the signal level, one of the inexpensive Behringers (~$30) come to mind, ADI21, EQ700 and even a TM300 tube amp modeler (set tone controls flat, clean, tweed, no mic, it adds value with an acoustic).
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Yep, a preamp would probably solve the issue. Doesn't have to be too expensive unless you want EQ and other features.
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