Eastman E20P vs Martin 00-28vs

[mc1]

Originally Posted by 00-28

Walthenry,
Please educate me. I have already asked for some evidence of such a joint, but all I see is a scarf joint with a clever diamond carved from the lower neck shaft. I don't understand how a $1500 guitar could use such a complicated neck/headstock joint as a bridle/birds beak joint.


This is not something you will see on a low to moderate priced, mass produced guitar.
.......Mike

i don't really know much about this, but a search turned this up:
http://theunofficialblueridgeguitarf...k#.VMcR_pUg-M8

[walthenry]

00-28, go to grevenguitars.com. John show you how this joint is made. He has made over 2300, highly thought of guitars, with his own hands. I feel fortunate to own one.
John's version is slightly different than the Eastman version.
The Eastman style has a greater gluing area and should be more damage resistant, if the guitar falls on to it's headstock.

[00-28]

Originally Posted by mc1

i don't really know much about this, but a search turned this up:
http://theunofficialblueridgeguitarf...k#.VMcR_pUg-M8

Yes, I read that. There is no question that Martin used this joint in the 19th century. John Greven has also done this, not on many guitars. Eastman does not use this joint in their production guitars. It takes hours to replicate this joint. Where did this claim come from? I bet it was from the internet. .........Mike

[bentay]

I emailed the source. Here's the response:

All our acoustics use a scarf joint. Please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Thanks
Dan Skatvold
Guitar Product Specialist
Eastman Music Company
http://www.eastmanmusiccompany.com

[westman]

yeah as Bentay says, Eastman use a (neck) scarf joint as in the picture above which is a sensible use of valuable timber.
The part that's confusing folks is the 'volute' , it's not part of the joint it's carved / shaped at the head end of the neck shaft which on my E6 is 17 mm depth at the heel block (excluding fingerboard of course) plenty enough to add a cosmetic nod to the past when the 'volute' was used to make the then used V neck too body joint viz,



here in this V joint you can see the excess material of the neck shaft and triangle before neck and volute shaping. (this in not how Eastman do it !.


v joint making video for those interested,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KocJHchKVZQ



this is how Eastman do it, as you can see from the projection lines (in black) of the neck shaft theres enough material to shape a volute.
[IMG]http://ultimate-guitar-building.com/wp-content/uploads/Headstockjoint.gif[IMG]

[Lemon-A]

I know this is an older thread, but still very interesting. I just bought the Eastman E20P and found that sound-wise it's actually a lot closer to the Martin 00-42sc or even the 00-45sc, because the Eastman also has an Adirondack top. The Martin 00-28vs sounds very different. The sound of the E20P is impressive, but mine needs a serious setup job. I own 3 Martin Guitars as well, and the build-quality of Martin is much better, BUT, as I said, the E20P has the same woods and is not far from the sound of the Martin 00-42sc and 45sc for MUCH less money. I was impressed! Maybe I just received a good example of the E20P, but even with a Martin we always have to find THE guitar; not all are great.

Best!
Mike

[MrYelnats]

Glad someone brought this thread up with a recent purchase evaluation. I just bought this guitar today from a place in AZ (I'm in CA). Never played an Eastman, but I own a great 1927 Martin 00-18 with Adi top and mahogany back / sides. Same scale length and wide nut width. The E20P is Adi top with Rosewood back / sides. I was considering acquiring a vintage Martin 0-28, but don't really want to spend a bucket of money. I should have it by weeks end, and will write my impressions after getting acquainted!