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Of corse ransomeware could be a possibility BUT agin I don't see what the logical motivation is to even bother ,,, to target iLok users (go to the trouble hack a software designed to stop hacks) to get access a tiny portion of the music audio industry ,,, which itself is a very small market numbers wise , for a limited possible monetary return , compared to literally hundreds if not thousands of much more lucrative markets to hack an try ransomware ...Just don't see any realistic motivation there....YMMV
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"As well as this impedance detection and adaptive voltage output, the new 3.5mm headphone jack features "a built-in digital-to-analog converter." Apple says this supports up to 96kHz, and means users "can enjoy high-fidelity, full-resolution audio." Second ...macs don't have soundcards. Audio is on the motherboard. And it's better than when macs had soundcards. Talking about the new specs... "MacBook Pro (14-inch, 2021) and MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2021) feature a high-quality built-in hardware DAC that can convert up to 96 kHz digital audio to analog audio. Connect an analog device like headphones or speakers directly to the headphone jack on your Mac and monitor your audio at full resolution without needing an external DAC." .....so that should easily serve 99% of video editors.....like the previewer discussed, and for listening to soundcloud or youtube ....for any except the most hypercritical user. ....and I don't like buying equipment. Equipment is just a means to an end. I'd prefer to spend the week in Venice, or give my sons a week in Puerto Escondido. Life is far too short to waste my resources on 'things'. That's the reason I don't deplete the life of my equipment. And ilok won't be intentionally targeted. US ip addresses will be however. Luckily it's not my concern.
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Had you said the DAC that feeds the Headphone jack "supports " 96k, I would not have mentioned it. And we would not be having this discussion But unfortunately that is not the real problem with your statements , ambiguous subjective statements like "should be sufficient " don't clarify much,,,, "sufficient" can mean "adequate to produce a result" then Ok sure but that addresses only function, not quality of sound output----- "sufficient" as in will be of high enough quality to satisfy ?.... Well that is your totally subjective opinion , not fact, and you cannot determine what the criteria for quality of sound might be for anybody else. Or what is "sufficient" for their needs.... Quote:
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Unfortunately declaring what is "sufficient" for home audio or will "serve" 99% of video editors , are just unsubstantiated universal declarations and are just like someone proclaiming "This $500 guitar is sufficient for 90 % of players " Opinion not fact.. Quote:
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The new Apple hardware is pretty incredible. As a Windows user it makes me jealous. None of my professional applications are available for Mac.
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Interesting, must be some fairly specialized applications ??
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Yes, building design and construction. Mac is a minute part of the market for us. All of the specialized stuff is Windows only.
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For example, on paper the the Apollo X16 has better specs than the Avid Carbon due to the higher numbers in dynamic range. That will be enough (and I've seen this argument made) to convince some that the X16 will sound better than the Carbon. Having owned both, I know that's not the case by a long stretch. We should always take the numbers with a grain of salt as their usefulness is quite limited.
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For example I just added this to my post #63 for anybody interested I will repeat it:: "my new M1 Pro MBP HP output (while fairly good) ultimately lacks the overall depth, space, clarity, definition and balance, and is a bit harsh in the upper mid's and highs compared to my interface HP output. I would guess it is maybe 70 % - 80 % there." While I would agree objectively it is certainly useable and serviceable for both video and audio editing. But to say it is "sufficient" for most, is injecting an unsubstantiated personal opinion
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KevWind...the fact that the headphone jack is analog should be obvious....just like the fact that (all) interface users would be using analog to monitor as well. Looks like your just picking an argument on semantics. I'm not aware of any audio monitors that take digital signals. You ? Maybe there are but I'd guess even if you used digital signals from your interface, you'd need to amp them and still convert them to analog for the monitors. And looking at your equipment list, you're gig is obviously in another universe from 99% of audio interface users. Yes another subjective statement. So it appears you're comparing your macbook output to a $4000 audio interface. Is that correct? Just so readers know exactly what your opinions consist. And it looks to me....that so far....you've offered up nothing but subjective opinion as well. I'd suggest you pull out that oscilloscope from the closet and do some measurements to back up your claims....and as well inform that you're comparing that mackbook's audio to an audio interface that costs considerably more than the macbook itself. Don't accuse people of being subjective, when you're doing more of the same. And I take your 'modified' post as proof you 'subjectively' believe video editors could use the headphone output, which was all the video 'review' stated, which you originally took issue. So to sum up.....you subjectively believe your $4grand Avid Carbon interface analog output outperforms your $2 to $3grand macbook's headphone jack...by 20%. Does that sum it up correctly? So in your subjective opinion, if someone wants a better audio output than a mac studio headphone jack, or any mac that has the new headphone specs, they need to buy a $4grand audio interface and run it all the time while they're watching youtube videos. How's those apples for oranges? Or am I being too subjective?
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Glass houses, my friend, glass houses...
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A couple of follow-ups to this forking thread.
K&G: I understand your desire to make the best choice, to break it down to details, and to study up and ask all the questions and then strive to understand the answers before purchase. Why? I lived a lot of my life that way, in my case often with the penalty that a wrong answer could have severe financial repercussions. In my old age, I've realized some limitations of that however. Kurth: You seem in my estimate to have come in kind of hot into this discussion. I may be like you in that my recording budget is more limited and my personal level of "good enough" or "I can't tell" may be less exacting that some others here. Despite that, I listen to what others in this subforum have to say and find value in it for which I'm grateful. On my main mastering and editing system I use a modest second-hand Focusrite USB interface. I think I paid something like $100 t0 $140 for it. Does it sound better than the "sound card"* on my motherboard. Probably, but frankly I use it all the time for general audio output because it's much more convenient to plug directly into a box on top of my desk -- with XLR, line and instrument inputs too -- but also a set of 1/4" outs to my monitors and a separate headphone out, both with their own distinct level adjustments and adequate gain. Since I'm using it for many hours some days for a variety of things, these kinds of conveniences were worth the outlay, even with my budget. YMMV. I have no experience with the brand-new Apple Studio models, or even recent laptops. One issue I used to encounter when working for a radio broadcast network when content creators were using regular "sound cards" on then current laptops wasn't just some subjective judgement on the quality of A/D conversion or the like, but external sounds leaking into the audio. Some of this was from the other electronics inside the computer, and sometimes there was some element of ground hum too as they connected to various things. This was a definite problem, and it was eventually determined that using the built in sound wasn't sufficient. But again, YMMV. *I'm not tweaking you by using the inexact term "sound cards" again. I could have said the sound IC likely on the motherboard and the routing to the 1/8th inch jacks on the outside of the computer, but other than pedant coupons I'm not sure what that gains. Somewhere in here I've likely made some other error inadvertently, but I still hope this helps.
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....don't think so Jim. My position was that video editors didn't need to run their audio thru audio interfaces. That was what the 'reviewer' was insinuating....that the headphone jack is sufficient. Simple position. My opinion is based on over two decades of editing video...mostly with macs, but then later with windows machines as well. Apparently Kev later agreed because he changed his post to reflect it. I said I run two sets of monitors , one out from my compu, and another from my interface....for just this reason. As well....I don't see any reason whatsoever to stream audio from the internet from 'any' source thru my interface. And I don't even have the newest apple headphone specs. Actually my present audio i5 windows machine has a cheap sound card as well. While you guys said you run 'all' audio thru your interfaces all the time. Well...my position is simple. Listening to soundcloud thru an interface offers no added benefit....other than wasting the life usage of your interface. Kinda of silly esp when you're using a 4grand interface.... imh subjective opinion. So where are the glass houses my friend?
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