The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Show and Tell

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 01-18-2021, 12:08 AM
SprintBob's Avatar
SprintBob SprintBob is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Covington, LA
Posts: 4,366
Default For No One (Doug Young Arrangement)

Here's my rendition of Doug Young's lovely arrangement of Paul McCartney's For No One from The Beatles Revolver album. The song was also beautifully covered by Emmy Lou Harris on her Pieces of the Sky album and she also plays it live (check out Youtube). The structure of Doug's arrangement follows the original in that he came up with a pretty cool solo acoustic guitar substitute for the French horn player McCartney used.

I took a Zoom class from Doug a couple of months ago that covered this song and I have really enjoyed learning it. I'm certainly not in Doug's league playing it but I aspire to keep listening to his playing to try to improve mine.

This was recorded on my Doerr Trinity 00 with two KM184 mics via Scarlett 2i4 audio interface into Reaper. Post processing is a high pass filter set at 60Hz and I added a touch of compression and reverb.

The song is played with the guitar in DADGAD, capo 2. My tempo is about 85% of Doug's performance tempo but I believe close to Emmy Lou's performance. I've been working hard on trying to improve my dynamics and bring out the melody notes more. I played this with Alaska Piks on middle and ring fingers, natural nail on index finger, and a Fred Kelly "regular" thumbpick. I made up a new set of Alaska Piks with slightly longer "nails" and I believe it helped bring out the treble/melody notes better. Getting a bit better at controlling breathing too but still needs work. I'm fairly pleased with it so far and I'm hoping I can improve it by playing a bit more "legato" in several sections.

Thanks for listening and appreciate any constructive critique.

__________________
Doerr Trinity 00 (Lutz/Maple)
Edwinson Zephyr 13 Fret 00 (Adi/Coco)
Emerald X-20 (all carbon fiber)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (Adi/EIR)
Robinson 12 Fret SS Dread (Spruce/Mahogany)
Eastman 810CE (Spruce/Maple archtop)

Last edited by SprintBob; 02-27-2021 at 08:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-18-2021, 12:35 AM
Nimiety Nimiety is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Middle of the Canadian Prairies
Posts: 101
Default

Sounds very nice!

The only thing I noticed (in part because I have the same issue) is that your rhythm is just a tiny bit off. As in uneven.

I know that mine is off...but I tend not to notice when I'm playing. Somehow my brain just ignores it. Bad brain! The only thing to do is to work with a metronome. I resorted to buying a talking version, to help me know which beat/s I was off on (either holding them too long, or not long enough). Love the talking model! I also have an app that I use less often, but is still good for a different perspective and it's a visual metronome. Silent. Good to play with if you can keep it in the corner of your eye if you're looking at music at the same time.
__________________
Amateur musician, newish to guitars!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-18-2021, 12:53 AM
SprintBob's Avatar
SprintBob SprintBob is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Covington, LA
Posts: 4,366
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimiety View Post
The only thing I noticed (in part because I have the same issue) is that your rhythm is just a tiny bit off. As in uneven.
Yea, I agree. I have done a lot of practicing with this song with a metronome to try to wire in the groove. I think I keep it pretty well in the pocket for the verse sections but struggle with the chorus sections a bit because the chord changes are a little more challenging. I also slowed down at the beginning of the "solo" section (where the French horn was in the original) but seemed to get it back a bit. I need to try the combination of a visual metronome and tapping my foot I think to stay better in the pocket for the whole song.

It's a work in progress as they all are. Thanks for taking a listen and the feedback.
__________________
Doerr Trinity 00 (Lutz/Maple)
Edwinson Zephyr 13 Fret 00 (Adi/Coco)
Emerald X-20 (all carbon fiber)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (Adi/EIR)
Robinson 12 Fret SS Dread (Spruce/Mahogany)
Eastman 810CE (Spruce/Maple archtop)

Last edited by SprintBob; 01-18-2021 at 08:36 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-18-2021, 07:32 AM
rémy64 rémy64 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 1,263
Default

I hadn't heard this arrangement from Doug. Your interpretation is lovely I find, the song does not seem easy to play
well done
__________________
O Romantique jean-marie Fouilleul
00 jean-marie Fouilleul
OM thomas Féjoz
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-18-2021, 08:35 AM
TBman's Avatar
TBman TBman is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northern NJ
Posts: 29,044
Default

Good job Bob. That doesn't sound like an easy piece.

Your recording tone is very good, btw.
__________________

Barry


An Daingean {William Coulter}:


Celtic covers - videos

https://soundcloud.com/barry329


Avalon L2-320C, Guild D-55, Guild D-120C, Gibson J-45, Larrivee OM-05, Martin D-16GT

Alvarez ap66sb, Cordoba C5, Seagull Folk, Washburn D-10S

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-18-2021, 09:00 AM
islandguitar's Avatar
islandguitar islandguitar is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 3,501
Default

Oh, very very nice, Bob!! That Doerr sounds as good as it looks!!!
Play on!
Fred
__________________
1993 Bourgeois JOM
1967 Martin D12-20
2007 Vines Artisan- Cedar/Quilted Sapele
2014 Doerr Legacy- LS Redwood/Cocobolo
2013 Bamburg FSC- Carpathian/Macassar Ebony
2002 Flammang 000 12 fret- Adirondack/Honduran Mahogany


______________________________
www.soundcloud.com/island-guitar
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-18-2021, 09:25 AM
UKPhil UKPhil is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Saddleworth in the North West, England
Posts: 1,520
Default

That's a lovely arrangement and I enjoyed listening. I'm quite sure in a few months you will have it nailed!!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-18-2021, 10:11 AM
SprintBob's Avatar
SprintBob SprintBob is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Covington, LA
Posts: 4,366
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TBman View Post
Good job Bob. That doesn't sound like an easy piece.

Your recording tone is very good, btw.
Thanks Barry, this one could probably work nicely with a touch of reverb.
__________________
Doerr Trinity 00 (Lutz/Maple)
Edwinson Zephyr 13 Fret 00 (Adi/Coco)
Emerald X-20 (all carbon fiber)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (Adi/EIR)
Robinson 12 Fret SS Dread (Spruce/Mahogany)
Eastman 810CE (Spruce/Maple archtop)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-18-2021, 10:12 AM
SprintBob's Avatar
SprintBob SprintBob is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Covington, LA
Posts: 4,366
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by islandguitar View Post
Oh, very very nice, Bob!! That Doerr sounds as good as it looks!!!
Play on!
Fred
Thanks Fred, appreciate the encouragement and support.
__________________
Doerr Trinity 00 (Lutz/Maple)
Edwinson Zephyr 13 Fret 00 (Adi/Coco)
Emerald X-20 (all carbon fiber)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (Adi/EIR)
Robinson 12 Fret SS Dread (Spruce/Mahogany)
Eastman 810CE (Spruce/Maple archtop)
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-18-2021, 10:17 AM
SprintBob's Avatar
SprintBob SprintBob is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Covington, LA
Posts: 4,366
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by UKPhil View Post
That's a lovely arrangement and I enjoyed listening. I'm quite sure in a few months you will have it nailed!!
Thanks Phil. Appreciate the listen. Always enjoy listening to your S&T threads also.
__________________
Doerr Trinity 00 (Lutz/Maple)
Edwinson Zephyr 13 Fret 00 (Adi/Coco)
Emerald X-20 (all carbon fiber)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (Adi/EIR)
Robinson 12 Fret SS Dread (Spruce/Mahogany)
Eastman 810CE (Spruce/Maple archtop)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-18-2021, 03:42 PM
Wrighty's Avatar
Wrighty Wrighty is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Itchen Stoke, UK
Posts: 1,814
Default

Nice work Bob, definitely more clarity on the melody.
__________________
Almansa classical (2012 - Cedar/Rosewood)
Webber OM (2009 - Sitka/Sapele)
Furch OM24 (2017 - Spruce/Rosewood)


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8A...2TVEhWes2Djrig
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-18-2021, 05:15 PM
SprintBob's Avatar
SprintBob SprintBob is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Covington, LA
Posts: 4,366
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrighty View Post
Nice work Bob, definitely more clarity on the melody.
Thanks Peter. I need to smooth out the chorus sections (sound "choppy" to me) and the solo section and then I think it will come together nicely.

Enjoyed your thread in the Record forum where you played in the church, that was too cool!

I got some recommendations from Barry on reverb plug-ins he has been trying. Any recommendations?

Cheers mate,

Bob
__________________
Doerr Trinity 00 (Lutz/Maple)
Edwinson Zephyr 13 Fret 00 (Adi/Coco)
Emerald X-20 (all carbon fiber)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (Adi/EIR)
Robinson 12 Fret SS Dread (Spruce/Mahogany)
Eastman 810CE (Spruce/Maple archtop)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-18-2021, 09:08 PM
reeve21 reeve21 is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Central Connecticut, USA
Posts: 3,907
Default

I really like it, Bob! A lot of moving parts on that one I do hear the melody nice and clear, and much less pick sound. Well done!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-18-2021, 10:40 PM
SprintBob's Avatar
SprintBob SprintBob is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Covington, LA
Posts: 4,366
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by reeve21 View Post
I really like it, Bob! A lot of moving parts on that one I do hear the melody nice and clear, and much less pick sound. Well done!
Thanks Bob for the feedback. It’s been a fun song to learn for sure. Hoping to re-post it in a week or two with noticeable improvement.
__________________
Doerr Trinity 00 (Lutz/Maple)
Edwinson Zephyr 13 Fret 00 (Adi/Coco)
Emerald X-20 (all carbon fiber)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (Adi/EIR)
Robinson 12 Fret SS Dread (Spruce/Mahogany)
Eastman 810CE (Spruce/Maple archtop)
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-19-2021, 12:12 AM
SprintBob's Avatar
SprintBob SprintBob is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Covington, LA
Posts: 4,366
Default

Check out the latest. I added some reverb and think it helped (a lot).
__________________
Doerr Trinity 00 (Lutz/Maple)
Edwinson Zephyr 13 Fret 00 (Adi/Coco)
Emerald X-20 (all carbon fiber)
Froggy Bottom H-12 (Adi/EIR)
Robinson 12 Fret SS Dread (Spruce/Mahogany)
Eastman 810CE (Spruce/Maple archtop)
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Show and Tell

Thread Tools





All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=