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On second thought that demo does exhibit high quality and hi fi sound; I think the first time through I may not have been as moved by the demo songs as I was by the ones played by Acus demonstrators.
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Note that if Rosette is not a sucess Mesa Boogie could discontinue the product and abandon the acoustic market very fast... Call Westwood music 1627 Westwood Boulevard Los Angeles, California 90024 https://www.westwoodmusic.com/produc...tler-jam-wood/ They seem to have a JAM 200 LA guitar sales have a Giulia (low power, small speaker: no bass) https://www.laguitarsales.com/index....ustic-amp.html Cuki
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Truly A Quality Amp
Really a nice amp over all . I would consider one in the future .
I've a really nice sounding 20 year old X1 12" Carvin tube amp I use as an acoustic guitar amp , it's clean channel pre amp section is really good . It sports a 60 watt amp using El34s both for electric and acoustic guitars , it deliver's on both really good , never failed me once . Not much use for vocals though , like the old timer's stuff from the 50's & 60's who sang through their guitar amps . It's a heavy amp but lighter than the Marshall 60 watt tube with X2 12"s I sold to buy the Carvin . I've a Polytone Mini Brute lll lV P.A. 3 channel but it as good as it is , it sports only HiHz inputs including the mic . It's a killer with a PBass , acoustic or electric guitar and vocal going all at once . It's quite an amazing experience to use . SS 95 watts with two cabs with 10" & 8" drivers , and a really sweet light weight package to tote too . Recently I got a 150 watt portable acoustic guitar amp / P.A. that has a tri amp'd type system pumping 75 clean watts to a single 8" driver summed to mono and 75 watts in stereo split by to two Hi Hz tweeters . It's lightweight nature makes up for it's lack of cosmetic good looks , compared to the Mesa Rosette . some hate it . I kind of dig it's modern look . It does a really good job on stereo projection too . It's not a heavy weight compared to other units with more power but , small venues are no issue and it's a great stage personal monitor too . These newer amps are really stepping up to the plate for acoustic instrument performers , and it's about time too . I like the tilt the Mesa Rosette cab has , the cabinetry joinery is a super plus for looks . Mine has a tilt adapter as well as being a pole mount bracket . Elevated high and securely on top of it's heavy duty pole/speaker stand it really projects big time . It's got a great FX section and analog 1/8" stereo in's or Bluetooth input/control / X2 XLR or TRS inputs & a mono line out . Very competitive with the Rosette IMHO at a significant price differential . Like the Mesa Rosette it lacks Phantom power so to solve this situation I got a guitar/vocal FX unit with one XLR phantom powered mic input , that loops I've lightened my gear load these days thanks to technology and I'm glad , my back is also very grateful . Only reason I wouldn't get a Mesa Rosette is it's weight factor , cause they look and sound really good to me . EZ : HR
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Uh, I picked one up easily enough and I'm not gonna win Olympic gold in dead lifting. Seriously, it was much lighter than I expected.
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And then there's that 12V phantom power thing ... I just received the Ear Trumpet Labs Edwina and haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but every time I've heard one live it really lured me in (Milk Carton Kids, for example). I was thinking of combining the plugged in sound with what the Edwina picked up ... seems promising in my mind at least. I know you're very familiar with Schertler Jam and I've enjoyed your various reports on them. Have you any first hand experience with Acus? Last edited by troggg; 10-02-2017 at 03:12 PM. |
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Indeed. The vocal aspect and the price asked, are the worst parts of this Rosette.
The Schertler and Acus are better overall products (price wise also). I've played with both and also own Schertler. |
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So you've actually heard and played with Mesa, Schertler and Acus and would go with Acus One 8 or Schertler Jam 200 over Rosette? |
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The original use (and standardization) of phantom power was by Schoeps in the middle 1960s and was 9-12V. This is why on many condenser mics, you see the 9V reference as the bottom of the range. a few years later, Neumann manufactured a condenser mic that would operate on 48V phantom power, simply modified from one of their own mic that operated with 12V phantom, simply because the radio studios had an available 48 volt DC bus used to power other electronics and lighting. A side "benefit" was increased headroom from the externally biased condenser element This modified mic became the KM-84, and because of the modification it required ~48V and would no longer operate at 9-12V and the 12V versions would not operate safely at 48V. One of the challenges with phantom power and modern back electret or internally biased elements is increased noise when operated at 48V due to the dropping networks required. Internally biased elements do not suffer from any significant headroom issue compared with externally biased elements. In fact, all self biased or back-electret condensers that I am aware of drop the phantom voltage internally to less than 12V, otherwise they would self-destruct. There is an IEC motion under way to eliminate 48 volt phantom power and to make P-24 (24V) the highest standard along with the P-12 standard. Developing a product with phantom power is a challenge because there is always this trade-off between voltage and noise. It's specially more difficult when trying to keep the physical size small, as an additional power supply takes up significant room in a compact amplifier. Since the vast majority of condenser mics on the market operate just fine at the 9-12V level (also called the IEC 61938:2013 (P12) standard), this is the one we chose... and in fact we are not alone in this choice. None of the 3 major U.S. manufacturers offer 48 volt phantom power on their acoustic amps. It should also be noted that many condenser mics that state 48 volt phantom power only actually work well at 9-12V. Some suffer from reduced maximum headroom, but this is rarely a problem with acoustic instruments (a reduction from 126 to 118dB is still WAY more than is necessary for acoustic guitar but maybe not for drums). Actually, it has been seen as a (marketing) badge of honor, bragging rights, for a mic to operate at 48 volts, driving the marketing folks behind such products to represent them this way. I have developed a chart that documents about 175 different models of condenser mic and their suitability with the different phantom power standards. I don't see how to post a PDF, but if you would like a copy of this just PM me with your e-mail address and I will be happy to send you a copy. It might help clear up some of your questions. --Andy |
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I was aware of the wiki version of the basic history of phantom power, but not the tech aspects, and insight on first hand reasoning so . I am a fairly big fan of US mfg in music and pro audio. I will PM thanks
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Yes, THANK YOU, Andy - that was very informative!
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I'll send PM shortly.
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Cool it's not an issue for you , I am envious 30Lbs vs 15lbs is/are 15 reasons why I prefer my amp , it's nifty padded carrying tote case helps to distribute the weigh when setting up and breaking down . It was chosen for it's spec's being excellent sound wise , ease of use ( Blue Tooth control ) , synth sounds through this system are remarkably good with stereo imagery . Function and form come to mind here for me as well as it's lightweight nature . My electric acoustic nylon & steel stringed guitars explode beautifully out of it . May not seem like much but add the harp case & bullet mic , guitar & case , FX looper stomp , midi synth floor module , mic & stand , speaker stand , gear case , stool and cables etcetera . These when added up to my herniated spinal column and , well there it is :......... I am putting together a even smaller light weight killer IOS system to further lightening up my load . It will eliminate the floor synth module and guitar/vocal FX looper stomp unit too . This will be totally self contained and not need AC power . I have this already with my present system [ 2 lithium 20,00Amh DC power banks ] one supplying DC to a AC converter for the synth module and DC for the looper and Hot Hot 3 wireless whaw whaw ring's floor unit . My acoustic amp/P.A. has it's own rechargeable lithium ion battery that lasts 10 hours on a single charge . I talkin lightening up man Besides the live busking and coffee house's I'm doing now , I'm headed for the Big Island of Hawaii and do shows at venues that are off the power grid . This portable acoustic /P.A. amp of mine is just killer for multiple applications , I'm getting a second one too , with two any night club of moderate size can be handled nicely with that kind of power . I've used the monitor out to the front end of a big room's P.A. system , it work's great for a monitor on stage . All in all I do like this Mesa Rosette . EZ : HR
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