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Old 07-22-2019, 10:54 AM
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Thanks for posting that. Just tried it and while it's very subtle, nicely worth making the change. Edited my two previous posts to show the Em7 instead of just Em.

Mostly because of the G chord, not sure if I'll change to the dropped tuning, although I definitely like it for the rest of the song, so I'll be looking at more options for playing G.
In Drop D, if you can't reach the G at the 5th fret of the low E (now D) string with your fourth finger, just use your thumb to play low G. Easy peasey. Unless you have very small hands or a really wide neck.

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Old 07-22-2019, 11:02 AM
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EDIT: Apologies, the first chord is Em7, as DavidE says. The Em7/A comes later.
Easier to hear in the solo version I posted below.

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Old 07-22-2019, 11:06 AM
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Absolutely yes on the Em7 at the start of the verses and the harmonics, while they can work with the right execution, are actually more of a distraction from the song than a welcome embellishment.
I often play just the harmonics and not the chords if my voice is in good shape and the pa sounds big.

But after this thread and thinking more about the performance, I'm only playing the harmonics right before the lyrics come in and then hit the Em7 as the verse starts. I may also do a quick loop of the Em7 before I start in order to play the loop under the harmonics.

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Old 07-22-2019, 11:19 AM
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Interesting way Neil hammers into the Em7 in this solo video.

https://youtu.be/KF0AVn813g8
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My apologies! For some reason I thought you were the OP (under a different name).
I just looked in the mirror to make sure I wasn't.
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Old 07-22-2019, 11:46 AM
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I guess that in my life I've heard so many major artists play their own material so many different ways (some times I could barely recognize the song) that I just don't get too bothered when folks make mistakes...we all make them, none of us are perfect...if I don't like the way one person is doing it, I'll just find another version I like...
I deliberately change songs right off the bat if I don't want to play them like the original. Now in this age of just being able to watch someone else playing a song I'm planning on learning, the first thing I do anymore is to open up half a dozen different versions to see which one I prefer, or very often parts from each.
At times I'll still just pick the song out of the air if it's apparent enough, or I'll learn an intro or main lick from another player, then fill in the missing parts.

Knowing this about myself, if someone wants me to teach them a song I make sure as to whether they like my version well enough to not care how it was played on the original, and with very few exceptions (though they exist), I treat the original recorded version rather than any live representation.

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I learned this long before I ever heard it because of the way I learned to play, which was often as not, free live performances. The next thing I learned to do with mistakes that would allow it, to make the mistake not matter, whether it be by allowing others to notice and make it a funny thing, or simply coast on through it.
No single way to deal with mistakes, either in performance or driving a car.
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Old 07-22-2019, 11:52 AM
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The G is easy enough in drop D as 5-5-0-0-0-3, which is I think how Neil plays it.
Nice. That seems to work pretty easily, even with my slight adjustment. 5-5-0-0-3-3

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In Drop D, if you can't reach the G at the 5th fret of the low E (now D) string with your fourth finger, just use your thumb to play low G. Easy peasey. Unless you have very small hands or a really wide neck.
Ironically I've never used my thumb much other than a very just a couple of songs that absolutely demanded it. I may swap back and forth from time to time, but for now I'm going with the upper option.
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Old 07-22-2019, 11:59 AM
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I often play just the harmonics and not the chords if my voice is in good shape and the pa sounds big.

But after this thread and thinking more about the performance, I'm only playing the harmonics right before the lyrics come in and then hit the Em7 as the verse starts. I may also do a quick loop of the Em7 before I start in order to play the loop under the harmonics.
I've never played in public with the harmonics, since I'm always playing as a soloist, but I do think from time to time about adding it in and constantly keep the options open for more experimentation. As apparent in the solo Young version, the song doesn't at all suffer from not having the harmonics played. They're nice, but optional if there's only one person on stage.
That said, I'll probably give your method a try later today.
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Yes, yes. Many of us wanted to help, but then along comes the retribution from those who would prefer letting others learn the song, replete with mistakes intact.
I think a PM should have been sent to the OP instead of publicly pointing out the "mistake."

Imagine being at work and then have someone yell across the room that you made a "mistake" on a job/report right in front of your boss instead of talking to you privately about it.

That's why I reacted the way I did.
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I think a PM should have been sent to the OP instead of publicly pointing out the "mistake."

Imagine being at work and then have someone yell across the room that you made a "mistake" on a job/report right in front of your boss instead of talking to you privately about it.

That's why I reacted the way I did.
I guess I missed that, but not surprised. I agree completely that corrections were in order, but also that they be done in a kindhearted manner.
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wow. OP here and just logged on to see the activity! Glad to contribute a discussion starter!
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