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It's real tempting to be sensitive when it comes to these forums and get defensive about your favorite community. I understand. But take your community member / enthusiast hat off for a moment and imagine that you are a builder who sells Carbon Fiber acoustic guitars to a number of different dealers around the world. Your products are built and intended for acoustic guitar players and those are the people that you want as customers for your network of dealers... I think you can see where I'm going with this. CF should be well-represented here if it's going to thrive. JR |
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As an established member of the MacNichol's forum, I'll add my support for a CF subforum at the AGF. I think one positive aspect of having a subforum here on the AGF will be a broader user perspective (including fans and non-fans) than exists within the MacNichol's forum, where the membership is largely made up of those who have already converted.
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But won't this result in a narrower user perspective with a sub-forum, since most people who don't already have a strong interest will likely not bother at all? I think the present setup leads to more people getting exposed to the concept.
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IMO ,there's been, and ,there is ongoing, experimentation of the carbon musical instrument(not just guitars but others like mandolin and such) at the Macnichol forum for a long time. as others have mentioned, there is a lot of knowledge and input from most if not all the carbon builders there, and the players that visit that site have some long term use and history with those instruments.
this may not be possible, but how about inviting Macnichol to merge into this site and bring the whole mechanism to the AGF? d |
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Laurence Juber - Guitar Noir Your Top Three (Guitar Playing) Singer/Songwriters. List Them Here The Beatles as an influence its time for some Dickey Betts, "Melissa", and "Come and go blues" Seeking CDs with Tab If you like Slack Key, George Clooney, etc Chord Construction - Just about any tuning These are all worthy topics, they just don't (IMO) belong in the same forum where we discuss manufacturers, construction, etc. I would also like to see more emphasis put on people posting in the proper forum. Probably 10% of the topics in this forum could easily belong in the Play sub-forum. The first sub-forum I would like to see added is one dealing with "players" (such as the Juber, Beatles and Betts threads mentioned above). In my mind, carbon fiber is simply another material used to construct guitars and I would prefer that CF discussions not be moved out of the mainstream. |
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I have a CF guitar which I don't play at all or know anything about nor have any interest. I would welcome a sub-forum for CF guitars, but I doubt I'd be visiting there a lot.
Maybe 'Other string instrument' is a good solution, but whats wrong with what we already have? Isn't 'General Acoustic Guitar Discussion' the same thing? Thats the beautiful thing about AGF, old post gets moved on and always abundance of new. Being bored of the same old post is something that just don't happen here. Thats the beauty. |
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I might just be interested as I have some interest in CF guitars.
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Let's see...only the largest collection in the country owned by one person!!!
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Please....It would make it so much easier to find information on the current CF offerings. +1 on the CF sub-forum.
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Doubt it will see much action for simple reasons...
Nobody can argue about merits of Brazilian CF vs. Madagasgar CF No humidity or care threads No neck angle threads No Tonerite unless they come up with a nuclear powered version No "my guitar is alive" threads No reason to discuss nitro vs varnish vs poly No sense discussing whose CF is more attractive No bone vs FWI, what's the point No opening up/closing down/going to sleep threads Does CF made in a factory in the Adirondacks cost more? |
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- Some CA guitars had neck angle problems (Peavey is addressing that) - CF guitars still have finishes. Might not have same issues as wood guitars, but it's still a topic - Bone and other alternate materials still have their application for saddles/nuts on CF guitars |
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I think a separate forum would reduce exposure to the topic. Those who are already owners or have decided to become owners of CF guitars will frequent it. I wouldn't rule out a CF guitar purchase but I doubt I'd be motivated to visit that sub-forum. If I wanted advice, I'd want it from the broadest representation of players, not just those who've decided that CF is for them. There tends to be sort of an in-group loyalty among people who all play a common type of instrument. That can be fun and those folks can be an excellent source of some types of information but there may be a positive bias, with social pressure not to knock the type of instrument that is the glue of the group.
I have belonged to a couple or four other forums that are brand specific. When you first get an instrument, it's nice to have kindred spirits who share your enthusiasm for that brand. Personally, I find those forums to be a bit biased toward their "home brands" and I tend not to visit them nearly as often as I do this eclectic forum. If I want my purchase decision reinforced, those forums are great. If I want a range of opinions that I can mull over and evaluate, not so much. I think a carbon fiber sub-forum would similarly become a place where those already fans of carbon fiber guitars would congregate but, in the process, reduce exposure of those guitars among the wider audience of players and owners. Just my view, of course. I'm not the one paying the rent here and I'm happy to go along with whatever decisions "management" makes. But if I were selling carbon fiber guitars, I'd prefer the wider audience of the general forum, with all its potential new customers, to the narrower sub-forum whose members already have what I'm offering.
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