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I agree, better mics didn’t help. I just wanted to say, I tried what I could.
What helped a bit was a good eq while creating the wavemap. First I made a wavemap without eq, recorded that and applied the eq and then recreated the wavemap with the eq in the chain. But still I haven’t been satisfied with the sound on a louder PA. Fishman and James May created fascinating tools and I’m pretty sure this is the future. Maybe a few updates is all what is needed - maybe with Cukis help!
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I am not sure they need any help from me. They are professionals, I am a hobbyist!
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As a tester of some of Cuki's original IR solutions, I can say I agree with his comments about the distant sound of certain IR solutions. I would argue that so do Fishman and James May. In both cases the IR is processed to allow the user to remove the "full effect" with either a control knob, algorithm, or both.
I'm in the camp that believes that what works in a small room for testing, will likely not work on a stage. For an extreme example, I remember the first big gig I did with Fishman Aura Plus in a Martin HD-28E Retro. That system had the ability to get the full effect from 0-100%. I was playing a concert in a minor league baseball stadium with a huge professional sound installation. I tried using the Aura image at full and it was a mess. I tried at 50% and it was still too distant. I finally dialed it in at 10% and it was just OK.
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But you follow the right path!
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While I am not a fan of the LR Baggs Anthem, it appears that the system is a favorite of folks who play loud stages for this reason. And, of course, artists have been using under saddle transducers for this reason for 40 years.
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The Anthem is the best pickup I ever had or played.
I never had the chance to try the K&K Trinity system with the mic though. Hope I get the chance in future. Would prefer the soundboard transducer instead of the UST.
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Exactly correct. The main problem with this forum is you are getting advice from people that play at home in a vey quiet environment, people that play direct into their DAW AND people that play live at quiet coffee shop gigs AND people that play live at a louder volume. All these are different scenarios and you really need to know who's advice you are getting. Do they play live like me or are they a home recorder like me? Etc. Know the source.
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The point is, a lot of these players using IR's, dual source pickups with a SBT/Mic etc., are doing so in venues where this is possible. I tend to see them in solo or duo settings. Once you get into heavy strumming or larger venues with more band members, these more natural pickups just get lost. Even the California Guitar Trio are using the Martin SC-13E guitars live. I do wish that I liked the Anthem more. There's just something about it that I dislike tonally. I still don't understand why I like the Lyric but not the Anthem. |
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BTW, I couldn't resist pulling the trigger on a NuX Optima Air IR gizmo. Since there doesn't appear to be an actual blend control, I'm thinking that I may have to add in some dry signal through the 1/8" Aux In if I need a drier signal for a loud setting. Oh well, I couldn't resist the (relatively) cheap experiment. |
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I have the original Aura acoustic imaging blender and it has a similar setup. For each sound image you have a choice of nine different dry pickup/sound image blends: 100/0, 87.5/12.5, 75/25, 62.5/37.5, 50/50, 37.5/62.5, 25/75, 12.5/87.5 and 0/100. PS. On the subject of the original acoustic imaging blender, its interesting to note that its similar to the Optima Air in that it has five sound images (IRs) which were created using mag pickups. They hadn't yet decided to discourage the use of mag pickups with Aura technology back then. Last edited by guitaniac; 12-04-2021 at 12:50 AM. |
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If electric guitar cabinet IR pedals are going to be the price leaders in this segment, then a blended IR for acoustic guitars seems like a good option to have with those pedals. A cabinet IR is directly measured and should be used at 100%. Cabinet IR pedals have no need for a blend capability.
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