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I have to say that I don't understand Bruce's comment either.
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It may be possible ( and would certainly be quicker) to do that by sanding/filing the base of the saddle, but that is not a procedure that any tech of my acquaintance would adopt ...(and I am not talking about builders, I am talking about guys who do many hundreds of setups a year) ... for them, filing from the top is preferred every time. Last edited by murrmac123; 03-20-2019 at 07:03 PM. |
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I am adjusting Individual strings saddle height from the top, because exact curvature and height, was not yet determined. I am starting with a flat blank. As an example if my B string is 20 thousands taller than my High E...I can not adjust from the bottom without lowering the High E as well...as the saddle's correct curvature is not correct. I suppose what I need is a radius gauge to transfer onto my blank saddle to begin with. |
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If you think I am wrong, you don't understand what I'm saying, not that there aren't other ways to skin the cat. Murrmac123 does not know me and if he did, he would not be able to make his blanket statement since I certainly do adjust saddle height from the bottom, assuming the top is done right. Unless it is glued in, of course. |
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I sent you a PM, it has a link with me showing step by step how to turn a flat piece of bone into a saddle, this is not the definitive way, my way
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When it comes to fine tuning the action, I don't give a tinker's cuss what the saddle "radius" is. And just FTR, the fretboard "radius" at the 12th fret on a guitar with a compound radiused fretboard is different from the radius at the saddle.
What matters is to get the action at the 12th fret consistent with what the customer wants... this normally involves filing the saddle to obtain an overall decrement of .020" ... .090" at the E string to .070" at the e string. Some customers like a steeper decrement .,. like 090 " to .060" ... or even steeper. Either way, there is no way to achieve an accurate setting by filing the saddle from the bottom. |
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Those of us that do it for a living, you know 8hrs a day 5-6 days a week, 48 weeks a year, and sometimes with decades of experience, know full well, lowering an action height vee sanding the base of the saddle is an incredibly accurate method.
No right or wrong way exists in lutherie, it is the end result that counts. Steve
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Let's not forget what we are really interested in are the individual string lines from the nut to the saddle. It doesn't matter if the variation in saddle height is cut into the top of the saddle and then action height is adjusted from the bottom, or the action height and variation for each string are all taken from the top. If we do them correctly, both methods give the same results.
Which end of an egg do you guys open?
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Thanks everyone! The 2 to 1 ratio worked out great.
Just did another guitar today..and I only had to loosen the strings 2 times, instead of six times like last time. Saves lots of time and frustration knowing the exact ratio! |
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Of track a bit, as per your signature, a knife I made for my daughter, she is a chef by trade, so stainless blade, making knives and tools is therapeudic IMO
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Beautiful Work mirwa !
Making things and being in control is the key. Weather you make knives, woodworking, or Guitar set ups. Making- adjusting things to our own personal standards is FREEDOM. If I had a do over in life, It would to have been to become a custom Guitar maker. I have done lots of things in my life. A traditional archer, Longbow and wood arrows, since 1965(making my own wood arrows, leather quivers & strings. A Backpacker, backpack hunting, Canoer in Canada, a Professional Photographer for the music industry, Woodworker making products, A custom Knife maker and more. But I can not imagine anything coming close to joys of making beautiful acoustic guitars. My hats off to all of the custom Luthiers! I have had a world of fun just playing around with Different Saddle materials and bridge pins. Truth be told, I think I may have more fun discovering the mysteries of the Different tops, back and sides, saddle materials, string choices, bridge pins, than actual playing. I love learning and discovering. When I discover a new material that gets me that special sound, I play better. I have been retired for nearly three years now. I have kept my Website up for giggles. However, I am ending it with just a couple of weeks left. If you like looking a beautiful rare woods you might enjoy the slow moving slide show on each of the pages. |