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I have 2 Martin style guitars by Bob Thompson and they play like my Taylors. They also have thinner necks very similar to Taylor. My goal was a Martin tone with a Taylor feel and I feel he accomplished that. |
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I'm sure Martin loses sales every day to people who like low action and don't realize any guitar can have low action. If you don't buy your guitar from a good shop where they will adjust your action to where you want it, well, shame on you. If as part of the process your shop doesn't educate you, you aren't in a good shop.
Taylor is the last brand I think of when I think bluegrass. Bluegrass is also a style well suited to a stock Martin setup. I don't know how my Santa Cruz came from the builder, but when I got it, it had a very flat neck, maybe .004 relief, with .085 on the low bass string at the 12th fret. and carry a buzz anywhere. .013s on it, also typical bluegrass.
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I'm not sure where all this thought that Taylor guitars plays any better than any other guitar with a good set up comes from myself. Maybe back in the day they were better at setting up a new guitar than other builders were. That comes with good and bad. I would rather have my guitar set up for me, so I will over look a new guitar that needs a set up if I like the guitar. I have never played a Taylor that plays any better than other guitars. To me its a myth. And I have played plenty of them.
But I am not knocking Taylor guitars or their owners. I don't care what guitar you have and I don't claim mine is any better than any other guitar either. I have my preference and you have yours. I am glad you like your guitar. I have tried to find a Taylor I liked but so far I have not. This is all more like a chevy-ford thing imo.
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IMHO the factors that affect a guitar´s tone are in this order, the first being the most influential in overall tone, and the last the least:
1. Body size 2. top wood type 3. setup (strings height) and strings type 4. Back and sides woods 5. Type of finish 6. type of neck, joint, shape and size. 7. the bracing 8. Other stuff (bridge pins, saddles, etc) 9. the brand So, you could find a bass heavy sounding guitar of any brand. Your guitar is a big body, with deep sounding woods, and in my opinion that is more determinant in the sound thant the brand. Brands have more famous models, and people associate that with the whole brand, but that is not the case. |
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2. 1. As-is? What are you going to do to it? 3. A good guitar will be great for any acoustic style. All the theories about which is for finger-style and which is for strumming and so in is pure superstition. Good is good. 4. Sure. Go. Why aren't you sure? Last edited by Charlie Bernstein; 10-04-2023 at 03:23 PM. |
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Second the suggestion about trying different picks. I found that a 1.0 BlueChip mellowed out the tone of my guitars quite a bit. Aren't they Vespal (vespel?) Plus, I'm pretty sure that owning at least one BlueChip pick is required for any investigation of bluegrass! It will help counteract the fact of the Taylor
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Sooo interestingly enough, when I put the new strings on I was playing in my basement which had a carpet and an act tile ceiling. When I took it out in my bedroom practie room though it seemed to come alive quite a bit more. That is interesting because its a smll room with a lot of hard surfaces in there to bounce sound. I also plugged it into my FM3 on a clean rock setting and wow high end all day! So acoustics matter greatly to acoustics! I think I still like the way Martins sound straigtaway, but my 417 is a beauty and I like the way it plays. So to paraphrase the old commercial "my guitar, I think I'll keep her"
And FWIW I am using a Bluechip TP48 pick. |
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Ha! Well said!!!
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Yes, maybe you are right about the bracing. I guess I haven´t actually tried enough different bracings to be an expert on that. I just put it so far behind because, in my opinion some brands exaggerate the whole scalloping and hand scalloping and I don´t think it affects the tone tha much. I also think the same with regards to the Taylor v bracing thing, it just does not change the sound as much as they say. Anyway, this list is just my biased and non-expert opinion. The point I was trying to make is that the name on the headstock does not define the tonality of the guitar. Or at least it is not a key factor to it. I see too many people asking "should I buy Taylor or Martin?", when ther really should be wondering wether too choose a dreadnought or a parlor, or between a hog top or a spruce top. |
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As for the OP's question, the subjectivity of our hearing has to be taken into account when it comes to the brightness, or lack thereof, in a guitar. See Laurel/Yanni. A very eye (ear?)-opening experience learning about that one. |
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FYI, any guitar can be made to "play like a Taylor" with the right setup. I guess, notwithstanding neck carve. Out of the factory, Taylors are more consistent and setup lower than a factory Martin, but a good tech can make a Martin or any healthy new guitar play like a Taylor if that's the goal. Last edited by zoopeda; 10-07-2023 at 06:42 AM. |
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Agree with the characterization of Taylor Guitars as being generally bright, with the exception of my Taylor 322e 12 Fret V Class. Super nice, balanced tone and I love the neck.
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All that worry for naught... I took it to a beginners bluegrass jam session this past weekend. Granted I had the most playing experience of anyone in the room and there were only a handful of guitar players represented by Martin, Gibson, Eastman and my Taylor. And the 417 sounded great and stood out very well. One person setting to my right and slightly behind me said it was plenty loud and I wasn't even playing that hard. So I guess all is good in Taylor town after all! Now I just have to get involved with better musicians, or I should say more experienced. Even though I am new to BG as a genre I have been playing guitar for a long time and so a beginners group is wayyy too basic for me at this point!
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I eventually bought a very clean, used 1991 HD-28 from Norman's Rare Guitars that I love (and still own). Two years ago, I bought a new D-18 from our long-time sponsor Maury's Music (really great guy to business with, and I love supporting fellow Sponsors). In short, as most have said in this thread, nothing beats a Martin Standard D Series box -- typically a D-18 or D-28 -- for that traditional Bluegrass tone and feel. BTW, I just saw a used D-18 on GC for $1500. I almost always prefer to buy used, but I don't do it long distance, only if I'm able to get with the guitar and play it before purchase. Also, unlike some friends of mine who seem to change guitars like underwear, when I buy a nice guitar it is with me for life. scott memmer Last edited by Charmed Life Picks; 10-11-2023 at 08:17 PM. |
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