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I'm not a fan of Pete Rose but he DID get all those hits and didn't know the pitches. He should get into the HOF in his lifetime!
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I quit being a fan of MLB in 1994 when a strike ruined that season. Since that time I've followed events in the game from a distance with nothing invested emotionally. It has become clear to me over the subsequent years that MLB is a broken institution with inherent competitive imbalances, an intractable ownership hierarchy, a players union that caters to its elite rather than the rank and file, and a propensity for rule change and technology usage inconsistencies. This cheating scandal is just one more bit of evidence supporting the view that MLB as an institution is floundering.
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A key question would be, how common is sign stealing? Anyone have any solid historical information on that question?
I have vague memories of announcers (often ex-players, then as now) who would mention that batteries would change signs when the opposite team had a runner on second. Someone else has mentioned that it doesn't take high tech cameras to do this from the stands, that it was historically done with binoculars. I get the impression that the current story has aspects being of perhaps more organized and pervasive (and maybe more effective?) but more importantly it also had the factor that some one "told" in an interview--not years later, but while many of those involved were still active. That meant that the authorities' hands were forced to take some action. Someone else mentioned doctoring baseballs to improve pitching, which has very long history. I have no idea how often it was done, but some similar story told of a team organizing it while the principles were still active (as opposed to a story about "the old days") would more likely cause some penalty.
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However, I still don't know how the other teams didn't realize this almost immediately and switch their signs.
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Pete Rose: I think one of the big things that Rose did was that he denied what he did for decades. If he had admitted from the start he'd be in the HOF now. (I think so anyway). |
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Since the steroid "juice" scandal, I've pretty much punted "America's Game". Sad, because this was a sport I played, and followed closely as a fan. I collected baseball cards as a kid in New York, spent countless afternoons and evenings at Shea Stadium w/my dad and brothers, managed to get dozens of autographed photos of my heroes...
These guys today, in the past 20-25 years, ruined the sport's innocence. I'll stick to Little League, going forward. (Sad College Basketball's headed down the same path. Love it. Love the NHL, as well. And European "football". The NHL still has some level of respectability. I become more disinterested in "footy", each season. They've ruined sports. Just look at the travesty they still call "The Olympics". Rant over!)
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I don't think we should be shocked. Given a massive amount of money, it really doesn't matter if it's religion, gambling, politics, sports, charities, the "fund me" programs, even lotteries., there will ALWAYS be some people on the edges working the "con"! I'm sorry, that's just the way some humans are. About all we can do is make laws, and subsequent punishments, oh yeah, and keep our eyes open.
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To me the key question is how this is construed as stealing when any television viewer can readily see the catcher signaling the pitcher when the station's center field camera is used? Stealing is when I have a $10 bill in my pocket and somebody reaches into my pocket and takes. It's not stealing when someone picks up that same $10 bill off the sidewalk where anyone could pick it up...
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Apparently , pitches have far less value than bases . Steal a base and you are lauded .
Somehow , I gotta believe that the pitchers will equalize this in the batters box once the news gets out . Keep your eyes open for pitches bouncing off of non vital parts of Astros and Red Sox batters in the coming season . Some of those guys better take some dancing lessons . |
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It's stealing when you rob an armored car driver.
It's probably stealing when the armored car has a wreck and the money is scattered across the highway where anyone could pick it up. |
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"Three people who were with the Red Sox during their 108-win 2018 season told The Athletic that during that regular season, at least some players visited the video replay room during games to learn the sign sequence opponents were using. The replay room is just steps from the home dugout at Fenway Park, through the same doors that lead to the batting cage. Every team’s replay staff travels to road games, making the system viable in other parks as well." https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/01/07...aling-in-2018/
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But when you have broken down video of a team to the point that you've cracked their entire code of alternate signs and you've got someone in the video room full time with a video feed and an automated way of breaking the code on every pitch and relaying that information electronically to the field, that's a whole other thing. A canny baserunner who figures it out and is able to tip a pitch is considered part of the game and should be able to be stymied by most catchers and pitchers. But an automated system based on a live video feed you're not supposed to have to begin with is something entirely different. It's like if a guy corks his bat, he might get away with it for a while, but he's eventually gonna get busted and punished for it. But when there's a systematic use of steroids, it's like everyone is playing with a corked bat that, for a good long time anyway, there was no way to detect, that's something else. Well, other than looking at these guy's enlarged Frankenstein looking foreheads, but, you know, other than that... -Ray
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