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Old 08-08-2017, 02:28 PM
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Some people install temporarily with double sided tape to test play, then go back and do the final install with CA (cyanoacrylate or super glue). As I understand it, once you use CA the pickup elements are not removable without destroying them.
A good luthier can remove a K&K and re-use it. Two of my installs for friends were removed and replaced by Martin during neck resets with bridge work. I checked them out with a mirror and everything looked as I left it. However, without a hard smooth maple bridge plate, a similar operation on a CF guitar might be impossible.

I have tried the tape installation of a JJB in an inexpensive guitar that I thought might be worth being able to salvage the pickup some day (I bought the guitar for trips by air where it might get gate checked). The volume was at least 12 dB down and while it sounded OK, I don't think you would get any meaning full feedback on your placement choice given the weak signal. Also, the tape they have you use, 3M 467MP, is pretty tough stuff to deal with when you want to remove the pickup (and in my case re-install with cyanoacrylate glue).
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Old 08-08-2017, 02:59 PM
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Baggs makes an M1 and a M1A (active).
The M1 (not the M1 active) can either be installed
or you can use the included 10' cable for no modifications.
Inexpensive, temporary, and sounds fine... https://www.lrbaggs.com/pickups/m1-a...-guitar-pickup
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Old 08-08-2017, 03:09 PM
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This thread is kind of gone off the rails of the crazy train. The OP has already indicated that is likely to go with a Rainsong with zero electronics and yet here we are talking about pickups and electronics, the pros and cons of each, who is done the installs and what not.

Just sayin'
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Old 08-08-2017, 03:22 PM
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This thread is kind of gone off the rails of the crazy train. The OP has already indicated that is likely to go with a Rainsong with zero electronics and yet here we are talking about pickups and electronics, the pros and cons of each, who is done the installs and what not.

Just sayin'
Yeah, things are done a little differently in the magical world of CF threads.

There's a NGD right next to this that started half a year ago,
it's already run about 7 pages and we haven't seen the bloody guitar yet.
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:45 PM
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This thread is kind of gone off the rails of the crazy train. The OP has already indicated that is likely to go with a Rainsong with zero electronics and yet here we are talking about pickups and electronics, the pros and cons of each, who is done the installs and what not.

Just sayin'
I'm glad to have the feedback on these different systems. Even though I am likely to go with a non-electronic CF guitar, others may well benefit from the information and opinions offered and down the road, I may refer to this as well.

Thanks to everyone who offered input here!
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:46 PM
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Yeah, things are done a little differently in the magical world of CF threads.
And that's OK!
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Old 08-09-2017, 05:25 AM
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But the Baggs M1 is a completely noninvasive system!
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:53 PM
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K&K

simple

no batteries

Sound great

can use external preamp if you want more

you can install yourself if you're handy. hardest part is getting over drama of drilling the hole. But if the hole is already 1/2" you're golden. Best is superglue on bottom of bridge versus the stick'um that comes with it.
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:00 AM
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But the Baggs M1 is a completely noninvasive system!
Just be a bit careful on tightening the pickup to the soundhole. It may leave a mark if you over tightened, from my personal experience. I believe Doug Young shared on this also.

Btw, are we off track too much from the tread starter's original intention? Haha.
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:26 PM
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We're not off track, Jimmy. This is all potentially useful information for anyone interested in acoustic guitar electronics.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:22 PM
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What for you were the downsides of the K&K? I put one in the same guitar and I love it.
Any time you plug in you are rolling the dice. It can sound great or it can sound like "woofy" garbage. All depends on the run length to the board and how well impedance matched you are.

So the downside is that you really need to haul around extra boxes to make it work right, either an external preamp or at the minimum a DI box with ground lift.

I have ended up having to mic the guitar before because the snake was too long even with a DI box and I have seen some pretty slick soundboards with built in pre-amp channels.

A normal (non-passive) pick-up always works. Just plug and play, and a spare 9 volt fits in the accessory pocket of my case, my DI box doesn't really.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:27 PM
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here is my Rainsong Shorty (more or less the same specs as the new CH-OM)

Pickup is a K&K pure mini, run through a DI box to the sound board.



No excuses for my singing voice.
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here is my Rainsong Shorty (more or less the same specs as the new CH-OM)

Pickup is a K&K pure mini, run through a DI box to the sound board.



No excuses for my singing voice.
Sounds really good to me, both the pickup and the playing. Maybe I just got so sick of the tone of guitars I've owned with stock USTs. I'm a big fan of the K&K and my Fishman Platinum Stage fits in the storage compartment of my RainSong case!

Thanks for sharing AZ
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:15 PM
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Sounds really good to me, both the pickup and the playing.

Thanks for sharing AZ
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