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Acoustic pre amp or TC bodyrez?
I have acoustic guitars equipped with a matrix infinity peizo pickup and a lr Bragg’s m1 active magnetic pickup
I plug these guitars straight into my acoustic amplifier (fishman loudbox mini) and use a Behringer ADI21 pre amp which makes my guitars sound amazing (very natural) I was thinking of getting a tc bodyrez or boss AD2 pedal to use instead of my Behringer pre amp. I feel maybe it could do the same thing as my Behringer pre amp but get a good sound more easily and quickly. So my question is do you think the bodyrez or AD2 could sound as natural as my Behringer ADI21 or even more natural when going into an acoustic amplifier? |
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Most effective preamp is the Tonedexter. Nothing else does the job as well, if the natural sound of your guitar (as if coming through a microphone) is what you are after IMHO.
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Yup that’s what I’m after but it’s a bit to expensive for me unless I can find a good value on one used. I also play with a sound hole pickup and the tonedexter stated it’s for peizo pick ups
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I am using custom IRs loaded into an HX Stomp, but I have previously owned the AD-2, Bodyrez, ToneDexter, and an older Zoom AC3.
I think the AD-2 and Bodyrez are something you will like, or find inflexible. Both are targeted at piezo pickups. To my ear the Zoom is more flexible, includes IRs for piezos and magnetics, and has a great selection of effects. The newest incarnation, Zoom A1, is inexpensive too. To my ear, Zoom uses the same effects processing across their entire product line and there is no danger in buying their cheapest option given it has a tough enough physical design for your usage. ToneDexter is the best but as noted is just a first class preamp for a pure magnetic pickup.
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I owned/used both in the distant past. I much preferred the TC BodyRez for its tone and simplicity. I did like the AD-2 but only for the battery power and the notch. I was not a fan of their Acoustic Resonance effect at all, even on the Boss VE-8 we ended up using for almost a year.
So between those two I'd say the TC if you're just playing at home at lower volumes and want to sweeten your tone. The Red Eye Fire Eye is also good for that - very simple and a great tone. If you're playing out somewhere or at higher volumes and find you have a problem frequency the notch of the AD-2 is very helpful. I did an A/B demo-review video on both of them head-to-head. If you click on the review link down in my sig line and then scroll down you'll see another link to the review/demo post that has the video embedded in it. |
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I've got a graduate degree in EE and in my opinion all of those pedals (AD-2, Bodyrez, various Zoom, Aura, ToneDexter, etc.) are using similar impulse response technology, which may or may not be marketed as modeling.
Some are loaded with a single piezo solution, some let you choose the target, some let you choose the source pickup type, and ToneDexter can make IRs on-the-fly in your home (at least for pickup types it supports). At the end of the day 99% of your audience will not hear the difference and what we are tweaking is for our own satisfaction. If you can be satisfied without an IR or microphone second source, you will save yourself a whole lot of hassle.
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Thanks Marty, it does what I need it to do. My Maton has the AP5Pro pickup, which is stellar, but can have low end feedback problems in high volume situations. I was initially looking for a low cut pedal, but found the Boss AD-2, which lets me dial out the frequencies causing problems instead of a flat cut at a specific frequency. The Ambience feature is very nice as well.
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I agree with this but 99% of your audience will not hear the difference between a high end guitar and a good plywood guitar either, but that doesn't stop people from buying the guitar of their dreams (or seeking it). We tend to buy this stuff, whether high end guitars or various gadgets in the signal chain, to please ourselves, IMHO.
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Any preamp vs. an impulse response pedal (basically a digital filter that attempts to make a pickup sound more like a microphone) is subtle to an audience but could be very meaningful to your enjoyment of performing. Perfecting "your guitar only louder" is a worthy hobby in and of itself. Plenty of the Amplification Forum participants rarely or never play out. My duo partner has a collection of Martins and Taylors. The Martins have K&K's I installed and his Taylor is an older ES1.3 I've repaired a few times. He is a very accomplished player and singer. And he has no preference for his amplified tones between those options. I A-B my IR on/off and he can hear that something is different but has no strong preference and knows the correct answer. I think I've beaten him to agreeing the HFN is the best sounding pickup in all our guitars. He has a GE-7 in his signal chain that he uses only as a boost pedal with the EQ set flat... The simplest rig that you think sounds OK will make gigging much easier and be less hassle. Each step up in tone: UST, to SBT, to IR, to second source internal mic, to IR and mic, lower your feedback resistance, give you more knobs to twiddle when a particular room does not sound as good as the last, and is more stuff to have an unchecked knob set wrong (and more stuff to break).
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Thanks for the help |
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