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Polls at this forum have indicated that the interest in carbon fiber guitars is very high, and a lot of us (myself included) have made a purchase. Rather than poor sales, my guess would be high expenses during a period of poor cash flow. Undercapitalization has killed many good companies. You need deep pockets to make it through the rough patches.
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In the end, something like 5 prototypes were made. I'm given to understand that their tone is impeccable, though I've never heard one. I think Bill Kaman has two of them, but have no idea where the others are. Maybe someday I'll lay my hands on one for a few minutes, who knows? Though the aesthetics of CA guitars never clicked my gears, I was tempted more than once to pull the trigger just because they were innovative, and I wondered how they could make these things at a reasonable price when a large company like Kaman (pre-Fender) couldn't. I hate to hear that a truly innovative company has been forced to pack it in. I wish the best of luck to their employees. And I seriously doubt we've seen the end of carbon fiber instruments.
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The warranty to me was just a safety net if you bought online and the guitar was not as it was supposed to be. Many of these guitars had to be bought sight unseen through online vendors, very few retail stores carried them. Their warranty really was only 2 years, from then on you paid for labor and they supplied the parts. Once I bought my guitar online and got it and found it was perfect, the value of the warranty to me was not much. It may be harder for online stones to sell without this backup it gave them credibility for a product unseen
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A CA has been on my 'would love to have' list for quite a while, as my lifestyle (camping, travel, storage lockers, etc.) is rough on a wood guitar. I had hoped to buy one during the coming year. Bummer. I hope they (or someone) figures out a way to make these happen again.
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If Kaman couldn't make the all carbon Q for a reasonable cost maybe CA just couldn't price their product high enough in a competitive market. It seems their last several years was spent creating finishes that would lower costs and give them better pricing power. I was looking at the prices of carbon violins and cellos. They are way up there.
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That's truly awful news. I have a Legacy and was thinking of getting a Cargo. I really like what CA offers in terms of sound and durability. I really need a good travel guitar. I may be looking for a Cargo this weekend.
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Bloody shame. It really hits home how bad this economy is when a novel company like this goes down.
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possibly bit off too much trying to introduce an electric so early instead of staying acoustic for a longer period. a Carbon acoustic makes more sense in alot of ways than a need for an electric one.
Could be they grew too fast and sales did not match growth. I do hope somene picks them up. I believe it is a product for the future.
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The pockets at Kaman are owned by Fender.
Dealers I've questioned, tell me Ovation sales have been in a steady decline for over a decade. They are now building more Ovations in China than the U.S. Ovation, Guild and Hamer guitars are all being built at the same facility in New Hartford CT. I'd doubt there is room or time for any more. It is a shame that CA shut down. Hopefully someone will revive them.
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Well, it's a shame, but I'm really glad I have my Cargo.
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If anyone's interested, MacNichol is clearing their inventory: http://carbonguitar.com/smf/index.php/topic,1654.0.html If I didn't already own one too many CA's I'd be thinking about buying one of these -- their prices are discounted pretty heavily. I'm sorry to see CA go out of business. I'm also sorry to see that some dealers are dropping prices to move inventory. (Although it's understandable with 18 guitars in stock and an uncertain market.) From a selfish perspective, if dealers cut their costs like this, then the value of my guitars drops, at least in the near future. I had one of my guitars listed on craigslist last week. In light of everything that's happened in the last few days, I think I'll just hold onto it and then re-evaluate things in a few years.
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It's too bad for us that CA closed but it's the former CA employees that I feel for. I hope they fare well.
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