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No to all the "usual suspects" mentioned here and more than a few others.
Yes to Roger Maris.
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I am happy to keep all the steroid guys and suspected steroid guys out of the Hall. However, I am one of the guys who would be particularly offended by the admitting of Pete Rose. It bothers me in life and in baseball when rules are made to protect the welfare and common good, and then those who have been proven to have broken those rules get a pass (much less a pass with honors). Can’t make always easily make adjustments for what went on in the past, but the present isn’t as difficult - or shouldn’t be - to hold these folks accountable. I think it would be far easier to hold these guys accountable if it was done more consistently. Hold The Patriots accountable, hold the Astros accountable, hold the Giants and Dodgers of the 60s accountable for doctoring fields, and on and on, and it isn’t so hard to hold these guys too. I really don’t think these are simple questions in the context of overall sports behavior. The fairness of the way the Salary caps and variations are established to level playing fields between small market and big market teams ….. endless examples in sports that do nothing to discourage players from sidestepping rules. For me it has become easier to watch the play and the game and be a little less invested in winning and championships (unless it’s my SF Giants). Ultimately, more happy for Minnie Minos, Tony O, Jim Kaat and the guys who did get in the Hall this year, than caring less and less about the ones this conversation was about before I started rambling.
Jeff
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Unfortunately, sports betting has become sanctioned by the major sports leagues now.
As for Pete Rose getting in, I see the argue shifting away from gambling in a general sense to that more of an "insider trading" argument that is akin to systematic signal stealing. His sin is calling in to question whether or not he was "throwing games" to make a win for his bookie.
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The gambler's DNA makes him "gettable" at some point. Dowd maintained that although he couldn't prove Rose bet against the Reds he would have developed that evidence with more time. Not that I find Dowd to be the most honorable guy either. Whatever, we haven't heard anything about gambling since then....
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Here’s an article that offers a perspective worthy of consideration:
I Investigated Bonds and Clemens. Yes, They Belong in Cooperstown. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/30/o...e=articleShare |
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We just got our answer....
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Big Papi in the HOF.
His lifetime World Series batting average is .455, the highest of all time among players with at least 40 plate appearances. He batted over .300 in his first two World Series, and then .688 (!) in his MVP third WS appearance. He led the league in intentional walks in three of his last four seasons. His lifetime ON base and Slugging percentage is among the top 40 of all time, ahead of Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Albert Pujols, Al Simmons, Mike Schmidt, Ken Griffey Jr … Great individual and team player, a natural leader. He left the game on top. A very deserving entry.
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Emphasis on gambling? I think you're helping prove my point. Either way, my point remains the same-betting is and has been endemic in the sport from day one of organized ball. It's not my opinion. It is a thoroughly documented fact.
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David Ortiz! So happy for him. So many huge hits that won meaningful games late in the season and of course in the playoffs/ World Series. Clutch.
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Agreed, Dru. Well deserved!
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A big to that Dru. He was clutch personified.
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It's been a very long time since I cared about baseball. Since '94, MLB has made some dumb decisions.
The players have figured out just what to do to win. 2 pitches - fastball and faster ball. Hit a home run Nobody plays to get on base anymore. It is pretty boring and the ratings show it. No to Bonds for sure. If not for dope, for the fact that he was a self admitted jerk his entire career. Did anyone really care when he hit #756?
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Big Papi's induction is great news!!
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