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Should health care be a Business or a service?
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Neither. It should be a right. If not, we are portioning out life.
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Good question. But, honestly, we can't really discuss that without getting into socio-politics and having the thread go downhill very quickly.
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The economics work out the same either way. Its just that "business" rely on your voluntary participation and cannot mandate the conditions and cost of your use.
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If this was what they billed your insurance it is not what they were paid. And they must have run a heck of a lot of tests to get to $32,000. Likely insurance pays them about $5,000.
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How are services underwritten? Do you think they just happen?
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I had a CAT scan about 20 years ago...the doctor told me it was going to cost "about what X-rays would cost" (pffft...yeah, righto)...got the bill and it was for just under $5k...told them to stuff it as I was misinformed (lied to IMO)...they finally reduced the bill to $1,200 and told me that's what an insurance company would have paid out... say what???? I as a person paying out of pocket gets charged 4x what an insurance company gets charged???? now THAT (among MANY other things) is what is wrong with medical care these days. |
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I think we need to be careful here...
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This, while anecdotal, explains why it is far more sane and humane to remove the profit motive from health care. The more you get in the black, the more it doesn't feel Hippocratic.
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In the end , you were treated fairly . It's just that you needed to do what insurance companies do . If I may be so bold , the lesson here is that far too many appear to be fearful when it comes to negotiating with doctors and hospitals or believe that they should not need to . Last edited by Kerbie; 11-19-2017 at 03:53 PM. Reason: Edited |
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I know I'm lucky as heck to have had premium insurance in 2016. I spent 3 months in hospital and the bills rang up to $300,000. My insurance wrote them down to about 1/3 of that and I paid $600. Had I not been insured it would have been ugly. Last edited by Kerbie; 11-19-2017 at 03:53 PM. Reason: Edited quote |
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This was in ORLANDO FL , BCBS SAys Unecesscary TESTS that were Not Approved .
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I haven't read through every post, but recently both parents have been in an out a few times, and there is something I've learned.
Observation rooms are not the same as being admitted. If they are technically admitted for 3 days and end up going into a rehab facility, Medicare has to pay. If they are in "observation" that is not the case......at least here in our local hospital in MI. Mom was in for about 44 hours a few weeks back. She was treated for NOTHING and had very little in the way of testing (blood work etc) The bill was over 7500.00. That was "observation".
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I have seen insurance companies not pay for "observation" stays before.
It's a crime against humanity! |