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Old 11-01-2018, 01:36 PM
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Default New 00 Woodsman model Hatcher Guitars

I've started working on my newest model today that I'm calling the "Woodsman" It will be a deep bodied 14 fret 00:



It will be heavily influenced by vintage guitars as you can probably tell by the drawing. If you have been following my build threads you probably know I like to build from a theme. A theme has goals, there is a continuity to the elements, and there are rules.
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It will not be reliced.
It will look old because of the design, methods, and the materials are old.
Mostly 100+ years old woods.
I'm making the case for it.
I'm shooting for it to be very light at 6lbs
Doesn't sound light? That's including the case!
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Liking this Mark. Congratulations.
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Old 11-01-2018, 05:12 PM
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Exciting! I like the stag on the headstock. Is that a some new Hatcher branding? Will it be limited to the Woodsman series?

In keeping with the vintage inspiration and design, will you voice it to sound in the tradition, Martin-esque vein? Or will it have more of the signature Hatcher voice?
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Old 11-01-2018, 05:44 PM
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Smile Six pounds with the case???

Holy Moley, is the instrument filled with helium? If so will it affect the sound?

Haha. Nice! But I would vote for a slotted headstock option...

This will be VERY fun to watch happen.

Carry on and have FUN

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Liking this Mark. Congratulations.
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Exciting! I like the stag on the headstock. Is that a some new Hatcher branding? Will it be limited to the Woodsman series?

In keeping with the vintage inspiration and design, will you voice it to sound in the tradition, Martin-esque vein? Or will it have more of the signature Hatcher voice?
I thought a stag would be an appropriate design for what I am going for here. Like a sticker you might see on a hunter's old pick-up truck. I'd like it to be a default design on this model.

I am going for more of a vintage leaning voice. It will even have ladder braces on the back which will influence that. However, to some extent there is really no getting away from me making a guitar with a Hatcher's voice.
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Old 11-01-2018, 06:15 PM
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Holy Moley, is the instrument filled with helium? If so will it affect the sound?

Haha. Nice! But I would vote for a slotted headstock option...

This will be VERY fun to watch happen.

Carry on and have FUN

Paul
Thanks Paul,

Yes, it is safe to say the sound will be affected. I expect a very quick and lively response. It should also just shake in your hands!
I like the look of this style of headstock when it's slotted and it will certainly be an option. I also like the look of the plain traditional solid headstock which I'm going with here. It may become more evident why I'm making this choice as this all unfolds.


Thanks for commenting!

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Old 11-01-2018, 06:39 PM
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Congrats on the new model Mark. It is a Hatcher, so we know it will be a success! I like the 100 year old woods for sure!
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It's amazing how light some of the old guitars were. I'll spare you the 'attic Strad' story, but my son came to have a 1927 OO-28 and he had me come over to try it. I expected a certain weight and when I picked it up it almost flew across the room. Light as a feather and except for a a neck reset and new bar-frets, all original. Hard to believe something so lightly built would last so long with only a little care.
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However, to some extent there is really no getting away from me making a guitar with a Hatcher's voice.
And that's how it should be!
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If that's a hard case, what in the world are you using? I've made several cases and 3lb for a case is VERY hard to do. I haven't come close (yet).
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Old 11-02-2018, 04:46 AM
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Congrats on the new model Mark. It is a Hatcher, so we know it will be a success! I like the 100 year old woods for sure!
Thanks for the vote of confidence Tom!

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It's amazing how light some of the old guitars were. I'll spare you the 'attic Strad' story, but my son came to have a 1927 OO-28 and he had me come over to try it. I expected a certain weight and when I picked it up it almost flew across the room. Light as a feather and except for a a neck reset and new bar-frets, all original. Hard to believe something so lightly built would last so long with only a little care.
The really lightweight, no frills, prewar guitars were fabulous instruments in many ways. I am trying to emulate those instruments, without faking it with this build.

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Thanks, I agree. The voice should stay recognizable but, within a range.

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If that's a hard case, what in the world are you using? I've made several cases and 3lb for a case is VERY hard to do. I haven't come close (yet).
Letís call that 6 lbs total a goal, not a rule. My plan depends on old style joinery and padding layouts. Iíll have more on what Iím doing to make that case.

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Mark, I'm quite used to you building guitars with a distinct and beautiful visual impact, so it is going to be interesting to see your definition of "minimalist". Those older instruments were so utilitarian, and though wonderful to hear, were "just" guitars and no frills. I'm very much looking forward to seeing/hearing your take on a more vintage-like guitar. Your excitement when we discussed it at Woodstock was nice to see.
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Mark, I'm quite used to you building guitars with a distinct and beautiful visual impact, so it is going to be interesting to see your definition of "minimalist". Those older instruments were so utilitarian, and though wonderful to hear, were "just" guitars and no frills. I'm very much looking forward to seeing/hearing your take on a more vintage-like guitar. Your excitement when we discussed it at Woodstock was nice to see.
Thanks Mike, I am making an old style guitar and it will be no frills but, I assure you it will not be "just a guitar"! For one thing some of the joinery on those old guitars has fallen from common usage. Not because it was replaced by something better but, because it was too time consuming or needed too much skill to do properly or it just didn't fit well into a manufacturing environment. On this guitar model I am moving away some from art on guitar and concentrating more on the art of guitar.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:48 AM
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The top:



The top for this guitar came from a train tunnel in Oregon that was built in 1835. It is old growth Redwood cut over 173 years ago. That would be the top left tunnel you see here on this old hand colored lithograph:



The tunnels were reinforced with concrete and when the old beams were removed they threw them off down into the ravine. My source is a local guitar builder/fireman who has been hiking down into the ravine, examining the beams and cutting off the prime pieces he is able to pack out.





So if I were to say this is a prewar top I'd be talking about the Civil War.
These tops have been fabulous. They ring like a bell, well, like several bells because of all the different tones you can get tapping them.


Here is the top I selected for this build:



And we're off!

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I'm in love with this already, Mark! That redwood is amazing, and I'm looking forward to hearing what this guitar's unique take on the Hatcher sound will be! Thanks for posting all of this and letting us follow along!

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