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Old 12-25-2021, 01:43 PM
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Default Does Emerald Provide an Option for a Chunky Neck on the X20?

I'm considering an Emerald X20, and since I'd prefer a chunky neck, I looked at their website but it doesn't give any neck options. From doing searches here on AGF and around the internet it seems like the X20 only comes with a medium neck.

Do you know if the X20 can be had with a chunky neck? As a reference, I'd say my Martin D7 Roger McGuinn has a chunky neck.

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Old 12-25-2021, 02:16 PM
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Back when I ordered mine, they offered a custom neck carve for an additional $750. They have since limited the custom options they are willing to do and I don't know if a custom neck carve is still available. Best to shoot them an email and ask.

FWIW, I also prefer fatter necks and I don't have a problem with the stock one. The thickness feel pretty good, not fat, but by no means skinny like the Martin MLO. If I could change it, I'd have some of the shoulder removed, making it more of a C shape, but I can live with it as is.
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Old 12-25-2021, 08:22 PM
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The stock neck is pretty chunky. How chunky do you want it?
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Is there anyone on the forum near Silicon Valley who can let you play theirs? Iím in DC if you ever get out this way. Iíve got an X-20 you can try.
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Old 12-29-2021, 10:22 AM
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The stock neck is pretty chunky. How chunky do you want it?
I agree, the neck on my 2019 Emerald X-20 is the only feature I wish I could change as gets too wide for me to properly thumb-fret as I go up the neck.
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Old 12-30-2021, 10:34 PM
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The stock neck is pretty chunky. How chunky do you want it?
OP here.

I'd like the chunkiness to be similar to my Martin D-7, which IIRC is about the same as a D-28. I have very large hands with thick fingers and prefer chunky to medium or thin.
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I agree, the neck on my 2019 Emerald X-20 is the only feature I wish I could change as gets too wide for me to properly thumb-fret as I go up the neck.
My experience as well with the X30 I tried recently. Iím considering a custom build X20 with a slightly more narrow neck width, 1 11/16th instead of their standard 1 3/4. Hoping this makes a difference in playability. Not sure why they donít just offer a standard C shape.
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I recall reading a post not too long ago where someone ordered an X20 with a 1-3/4" nut, but a narrower neck than their default. It seems to me that they leave an extra margin between the outer strings and the edge of the neck. I inquired about having that done after I'd put in my order, but was told it was too far along in the build to mess with the neck. So, they didn't say they wouldn't do it - just that they couldn't on mine. You might email Emerald and ask about it.

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My experience as well with the X30 I tried recently. Iím considering a custom build X20 with a slightly more narrow neck width, 1 11/16th instead of their standard 1 3/4. Hoping this makes a difference in playability. Not sure why they donít just offer a standard C shape.
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I recall reading a post not too long ago where someone ordered an X20 with a 1-3/4" nut, but a narrower neck than their default. It seems to me that they leave an extra margin between the outer strings and the edge of the neck. I inquired about having that done after I'd put in my order, but was told it was too far along in the build to mess with the neck. So, they didn't say they wouldn't do it - just that they couldn't on mine. You might email Emerald and ask about it.
Thanks for mentioning that! Iíll see what they say. My Composite Acoustics Legacy has a 1 3/4 but is more of a C profile and easier to play for me. A narrower profile would probably work for me, even with a 1 3/4 nut.
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they leave an extra margin between the outer strings and the edge of the neck.
This is the one thing I would change on mine, if I had it to do over again.
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I took another look through the forum and found the earlier post about a custom neck width. Here is the link.

Maybe if enough people ask Emerald about this they will include neck width as an option, or might consider reducing the standard width.
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I took another look through the forum and found the earlier post about a custom neck width. Here is the link.

Maybe if enough people ask Emerald about this they will include neck width as an option, or might consider reducing the standard width.
It wouldnít surprise me if they did. Alistair seems to have an eye toward trying new approaches and staying adaptive as a business. Offering 4-5 standard neck profiles would cost time and money to implement in the near term but very successful over time.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if they did. Alistair seems to have an eye toward trying new approaches and staying adaptive as a business. Offering 4-5 standard neck profiles would cost time and money to implement in the near term but very successful over time.
I'm guessing Emerald will do the opposite. Seems that they have gone from the company who would make almost anything (and could), to pairing down options to what you see on the builder. Obviously things can change in the future (or they may do "one-offs" for a price), but I think Alistair realized he needed to streamline manufacturing until major growth happens. And even if major growth did happen, what does that look like? Even companies that build thousands of guitars per year need to streamline their processes and why, say Taylor, has one neck profile with 2 different nut widths.
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Emerald, and other newer guitar companies, need to beg, borrow or steal a newish Martin, Taylor, or Gibson acoustic guitar and measure their neck geometries and make their necks similar but vary a couple of thousandths of an inch here or there to avoid any law suits!

Now, don't get me started on Emerald's wire-guide placement on the top and backs for the acoustic-electric installations in their the guitars! MEMO TO EMERALD & OTHER MAKERS: ALWAYS PLACE WIRE GUIDES AND WIRE ROUTING ON THE SIDES OF YOUR GUITARS, NOT ON THE TOP OR BACK!!!
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I'm guessing Emerald will do the opposite. Seems that they have gone from the company who would make almost anything (and could), to pairing down options to what you see on the builder. Obviously things can change in the future (or they may do "one-offs" for a price), but I think Alistair realized he needed to streamline manufacturing until major growth happens. And even if major growth did happen, what does that look like? Even companies that build thousands of guitars per year need to streamline their processes and why, say Taylor, has one neck profile with 2 different nut widths.
Great points. He can only afford so much innovation. At the end of the day heís a businessman and has to maintain a business model that lets him keep it in the black.
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