PSA: The Average Price of a New Car in the U.S.

[Gitfiddlemann]

Originally Posted by imwjl

I don't want any misunderstandings or to be wrong. It is easy to look up the Tesla, Ford and Rivian specs that are the brands the company's owned, owns or leases. So far in electrification and getting the whole enterprise in renewables and trying an off grid charger it's all worked well.

You don't buy EVs for regular 2000 mile or even 500 mile trips loaded down but they work well for area trips and 200-275 miles.

OK. I must have misunderstood your previous comment on the Silverado. I thought you had an actual EV replacement for one which you were using. I didn't know you were speaking in general terms about EVs. So yes, I can certainly look up specs from the manufacturer.
And I agree with you that regular folks like us don't take such long trips. My comment was about the commercial trucking industry that our economy depends on. Those big diesel trucks definitely do that kind of mileage, and operate under time constraints when making deliveries. So, it's a big drawback if, instead of driving 2000 miles on a tank that takes 30 minutes to fill, you can only go 500 with an EV battery that takes 10 hours to charge and weighs 8000Lbs.
I'm not being critical of EVs. I'm just saying that the technology still needs to come up with a solution for those kinds of discrepancies, lest they unduly burden our economy if they are mandated too quickly.

[imwjl]

Originally Posted by Gitfiddlemann

OK. I must have misunderstood your previous comment on the Silverado. I thought you had an actual EV replacement for one which you were using. I didn't know you were speaking in general terms about EVs. So yes, I can certainly look up specs from the manufacturer.
And I agree with you that regular folks like us don't take such long trips. My comment was about the commercial trucking industry that our economy depends on. Those big diesel trucks definitely do that kind of mileage, and operate under time constraints when making deliveries. So, it's a big drawback if, instead of driving 2000 miles on a tank that takes 30 minutes to fill, you can only go 500 with an EV battery that takes 10 hours to charge and weighs 8000Lbs.
I'm not being critical of EVs. I'm just saying that the technology still needs to come up with a solution for those kinds of discrepancies, lest they unduly burden our economy if they are mandated too quickly.

The every day fleet vehicles we have are mostly Ford, GM and Stellantis. Then Diesel sprinters have been or are being replaced by Fords. More are on hold for reasons outside of what propels them. The Ford vans and pickups are very different with range to suit different uses. One fancy or high end GM pickup leased for the owner/ops VP was replaced with a Rivian 10 months ago.

The main vans and fleet problem we have is not in any way technical. Labor is a huge cost so right now lots of firms struggle to compete with delivery startups not making money and not compensating their contracted gig workers well. Our scenario is complicated by very religious owners who interpret their beliefs as they have to care for who they employ.

Thinking we're going to have big fleets of OTR BEVs is quite misguided or at least for anytime soon. Being in grocery we do have vendors at cutting edge of this. Some are the EV semis first customers. You can more likely expect BEV semis in distribution and "last mile". Some food and beverage giants are looking at hydrogen where Paccar seems to be in the lead.

I'm quite a news junkie and I have to distribute a lot of it in the company. Reality or likely outcome for changes in transportation aren't what the biggest naysayers and cheerleaders say. It is true right now that what's shipping now - Ford pickups & vans plus Rivians do a lot of real work.

[Driftless]

Originally Posted by rokdog49

I totally agree and these people buying “Jumbo” guitars ought to learn to get by with a parlor. It’s much safer in a jam session, especially in these smaller rooms.
I’m wondering about this “over-compensation” thing myself.

Don't get me started on amplifiers!

[imwjl]

We put off a purchase, still dislike their dashboard and the CEO behavior, but saw this coming. The July day we tested a Model Y and others with the whole family we saw the price was competitive without any incentives.

My wife considers no CarPlay and unable to simply adjust air vents deal breakers but you can log into your Apple Music now.

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-a...-ca-1850914078

For the overall topic, the pressure on price is definitely on now. It looks like up to $20,000 off on Jeeps still has them sitting on lots. Some hard to get new models are practical more than a vanity or ego sort of purchase.

[DrunkUncles]

I drive a very large truck (I have a side hustle selling Christmas Trees), I thought the price of my F250 was highway robbery in 2017. Now, there is NO WAY I could afford to replace it.

Chris

[imwjl]

Originally Posted by DrunkUncles

I drive a very large truck (I have a side hustle selling Christmas Trees), I thought the price of my F250 was highway robbery in 2017. Now, there is NO WAY I could afford to replace it.

Chris

I look at it this way now that we again decided no on a new purchase personally, and we have the fleet at work. All recent vehicles last longer. A F250 I bought in 1980 was a worn (falling apart, rusting, not reliable) out POS from lots of real work in about 7 years. One we got at the ski area around 2006 lasted twice that. Same age as yours but more vans than pickups in our company fleet are doing very well.

At work we were early on the EV bandwagon and those along with news I have from some local fleets are looking far more affordable to own.

More support for madness or silliness not perpetuating might be in those web sites that track what vehicles have high dealer inventory and the incentives. Up to $20,000 of incentives still has some Stellantis models sitting on dealer lots.

I predict we'll have a practical and luxury vehicle sort of market going on. Base model vehicles in this era have features and performance that exceed what used to be top end.

[Horseflesh]

I am driving a 2000 sporty Subaru, and still love driving it every single time... I love the simple mechanical environment controls, and that the only computer is in the Bosch engine controller. I love that it's inexpensive to maintain, and that I feel close to the road. (I don't love the noise and poor mileage, but oh well.)

With cars getting so expensive, and bigger, and full of unreliable doo-dads inside... I just don't like cars like I used to. That kind of hurts, honestly.

I'll keep my Scooby running as long as I can. As long as I don't wreck it, anything that goes wrong with it can be fixed.