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Old 09-07-2023, 08:54 AM
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I assume and hope Gibson will continue to push out the Custom Historic guitars they've been making the last few years, as pretty much all of them I have played have been fantastic. I can't really see myself paying more for the Murphy's though I look forward to playing them if/when they show up in my local shop.
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Old 09-07-2023, 09:36 AM
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Gibson is venturing into Breedlove territory here with the number of new product lines coming out. I love my Gibsons, but they need to find a way to streamline and drive clarity or they will risk diluting their brand IMO.

For a long time Martin has done a much better job clearly defining their offerings in the higher end acoustic market. Even the Gibson 'Historic series' while many are great guitars, contain a mix of modern and vintage specs.

Standard Series (Modern)
Standard Series (60's)
Standard Series (50's)
Vintage
True Vintage
Custom Shop Historic

I'm sure I'm missing some, but that's a lot of different sublines with somewhat murky specs.
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Old 09-07-2023, 09:59 AM
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I can't really see myself paying more for the Murphy's though I look forward to playing them if/when they show up in my local shop.
Two big reasons people pay a significant upcharge, for aged Martin authentic guitars versus non-aged Martin authentic guitars:

1) there is near consensus that the thinner, checked finish on the aged martins results in an audible change to the guitars tone. People who pay the upcharge typically prefer the sound of the aged model.

2) an original, playable, player grade 30s D18 is tens of thousands of dollars, and a 30s D 28 is significantly more than that. By comparison, the aged authentics are a fraction of that cost.

As I see it, Gibson’s challenges are that, even despite recent vintage market inflation, these guitars are priced really close to their vintage counterparts. And it remains to be seen whether the aged models will sound any different or better than the regular Historic.

I’ve also noticed that, especially the more recent historic Sunburst Gibsons have had a particularly swirled, blunted matte finish, which completely kills the optical depth of the otherwise spectacular Sunburst. I love that they are checking these thin finishes, but I think the higher grit buffing agent or steel wool or whatever they’re using is a huge mistake. Prewar, guitars, by comparison, has their finish completely dialed in.

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Old 09-07-2023, 10:32 AM
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Gibson is venturing into Breedlove territory here with the number of new product lines coming out. I love my Gibsons, but they need to find a way to streamline and drive clarity or they will risk diluting their brand IMO.

For a long time Martin has done a much better job clearly defining their offerings in the higher end acoustic market. Even the Gibson 'Historic series' while many are great guitars, contain a mix of modern and vintage specs.

Standard Series (Modern)
Standard Series (60's)
Standard Series (50's)
Vintage
True Vintage
Custom Shop Historic

I'm sure I'm missing some, but that's a lot of different sublines with somewhat murky specs.
Good points. Although I am a buy with my ears type guy I can’t get over the fact Gibson’s refusal to address period correct bracing in the Custom Historic line and now these guitars. If you are charging this much money at least hype the fact you are giving the customer a new guitar with old pre-war/banner era specs as closely as possible.

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Two big reasons people pay a significant upcharge, for aged Martin authentic guitars versus non-aged Martin authentic guitars:

1) there is near consensus that the thinner, checked finish on the aged martins results in an audible change to the guitars tone. People who pay the upcharge typically prefer the sound of the aged model.

2) an original, playable, player grade 30s D18 is tens of thousands of dollars, and a 30s D 28 is significantly more than that. By comparison, the aged authentics are a fraction of that cost.

As I see it, Gibson¬’s challenges are that, even despite recent vintage market inflation, these guitars are priced really close to their vintage counterparts. And it remains to be seen whether the aged models will sound any different or better than the regular Historic.

I’ve also noticed that, especially the more recent historic Sunburst Gibsons have had a particularly blunted matte finish, which completely kills the optical depth of the otherwise spectacular Sunburst. I love that they are checking these thin finishes, but I think the higher grit buffing agent or steel wool or whatever they¬’re using is a huge mistake. Prewar, guitars, by comparison, has their finish completely dialed in.
At least Martin Authentic guitars get close to original specs aged or not let the consumer know it. The Gibson mystery of paying homage to their various acoustic guitars with modern representations is baffling to say the least.

Look no further than the latest 50’s and 60’s original guitars. The ones I have played are really good sounding guitars but they sure aren’t sounding anything like a vintage mid 50’s into 60’s J-45 or LG with tapered bracing. At least Martin got closer with the Marquis and Golden Era bracing.

As for the aging process I don’t mind it at all. Good for Gibson on finding a higher end market. I probably won’t buy one because I am on a search for a pre 55 scalloped braced J-45 style guitar. I’m more interested in the likes of Fairbanks, Atkin, Walker or Kopp who seem to be interested in using a bracing and voicing style that is more accurate to the guitars they are copying. And the bonus is they are cheaper than Gibson’s Custom Historic line
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Old 09-07-2023, 03:49 PM
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We are spoiled for choice and I've seen no guns to the head to make people buy them.
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Old 09-07-2023, 03:55 PM
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I've seen no guns to the head to make people buy them.
If I were FORCED to choose to have my liberties violated, I suppose I canít think of a better way than that!
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Old 09-08-2023, 05:26 PM
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A quick look at Music Villa listings shows the 33 L-00 Gibson Murph Labs as sold! Assuming it is the one in the Music Villa/Acoustic Letter video, it is possibly the only one made? I know nothing, just saying.....and I find it rather ironic that the L-00 sold first while the others sit waiting after Gibson disappointingly did NOT release an L-00 model with the Historic Series a couple of years ago!

Perhaps they DID notice my bleating?

Probably not.

Just packed up my sensational (7 or 8 years old now) Waterloo WL-14X after playing some country blues fingerpicking....perfect thanks Bill! I would love to play it next to the new Gibson L-00 Murph!

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Old 09-26-2023, 03:06 PM
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Back in the spring I wanted to buy a new Gibson, and I was going to be in Houston for work so I stopped at Fullers. I gave myself permission to buy the guitar that spoke to me, independent of budget. I went in thinking that it would be a Historic J-185 or Hummingbird since I already have a great J-45. I played through the whole rack of Hummers, J-200's, J-185's etc. and they were all good but not great. Then I played the Martin Custom Shop Authentic Aged 000-28 and knew that it was the one. I played the non-aged side by side and was surprised by how much more I liked the Aged. It came home with me.

Last week I was in Bozeman and I stopped into Music Villa. I played the Murphy aged J-200, Hummingbird and J-45 and they were all fantastic. Totally next level from the Historics I played at Fullers, no comparison. I've played dozens of J-200's old and new and the Murphy was the best one I've ever played, hands down. If I hadn't just bought the Martin recently it would have come home with me. I wish I had that decision back.

Yes, the prices are ridiculous- but the aging is way more than cosmetic on both the Martins and the Gibsons. Totally different, next-level instruments.
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Old 09-27-2023, 05:52 AM
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I recently bought a 2002 50's RI J-200. And was extremely happy, it didn't have a mark on it. Looked brand new.

It has different bracing than my 2014 Ultimate and sounds much better to me.

Bought the 1952 RI J-185 last year. Not crazy about the finish. But tone and playability is among the best in my arsenal.

I don't care to buy an expensive guitar that has been beat up on purpose.

But never say never, right?
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Old 09-27-2023, 08:06 AM
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That 1933 tuxedo L-00 is pretty awesome
Indeed!

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I was surprised to see this amount of runout on the Murphy Lab J45 at Wildwood Guitars.


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Old 09-27-2023, 11:13 AM
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I was surprised to see this amount of runout on the Murphy Lab J45 at Wildwood Guitars.


It's a guitar, made of wood. Reality is that most people don't pay attention to that sort of thing.

Here's a Henderson going for $64k that has runout: https://www.dreamguitars.com/shop/in...ed-spruce-701/

And a Jang for $15k with runout: https://www.dreamguitars.com/shop/in...-007itaco0916/

And a Teel for $20k with runout: https://www.dreamguitars.com/shop/in...-007itaco0916/

And on and on you can go finding more examples.
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