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Yes. Ditto. There is a reason it is called the Lombardi trophy.
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Might have turned out that way if he’d lived long enough. But his run was basically about 6-7 years from their first NFL Championship in ‘61 through the second Super Bowl, in ‘67. For sure, he won 5 championships in that time, but the NFL was a much smaller league then. Belichek has sustained a consistent level of excellence for closing on 20 years now in a much more competitive league - that’s just astounding. Maybe if he’d stayed healthy he’d have turned the Redskins into something and maybe he’d have a 20 year record that would rival or surpass what Belichek has done. But as Boomer Tatum famously said, “What coulda happened did”. And Vince didn’t live long enough.
I grew up as a Colts fan in Baltimore during Lombardi’s Green Bay run. I saw a few classic Colt-Packer games in the old Memorial Stadium. The Pack ruined a few seasons for my little boy heart... They were the best in their day, overwhelmingly so. Chuck Noll and Bill Walsh and Tom Landry are also deserving of big props. But 17 years at or very near the top is just another level... I won’t see it again in my lifetime - I don’t know if anyone will. -Ray |
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Was Heisman the best college football player who ever lived? Lombardi was the best there’d been when they were looking for a name for that thing and he’d just died when they named it for him. He’s been surpassed.
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Well I disagree. We do have two god-like creatures in our team. You’re still giving Belichick most of the credit, and that’s quite unfair to Brady, which is the one making things happen. You’re saying that Brady is barely above average, and he would be in complete obscurity if he didn’t have Belichick. You’re switching your hate to a more passive-aggressive style, but it’s clearly there coming out. Let’s use Jimmy G. as an example. With the Patriots, he had a decent run winning most games he played, especially when Brady was suspended. He then got traded to the 49rs, and won every single game for the rest of that season. Without Belichick, on a new team, he won games. I say he proved himself to be good as long as he stays healthy. And he is nowhere near Tom Brady. Brady can take any team under any coach to the Super Bowl. His track record say so. |
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If what you got from that is that I think he’s “barely above average and would be in complete obscurity without Belichek” (those are your words, right?), there’s nothing I can write that you won’t take as a dis. I’m saying he is the equal of the handful of very best QB’s that have ever played the game. Just that I don’t think he’s head and shoulders above the very greatest ever. If you somehow read that as barely above average and as passive aggressive hate, there’s nothing I can say that you will understand any differently. |
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Yes those are my words and I apologize for putting words in your mouth. My analysis of your post is after putting most of your Brady and Belichick posts in context. Handful of guys better than Brady? That will always be debatable because you can’t compare different eras of football. But right now? He’s at the top. |
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I don’t have any issues with people coming to different conclusions based on the same information - it’s just an entertaining debate. But I don’t like having my words nd thoughts mischaracterized, you (and one other guy here) are the GOATs. If I think back on what I’ve said around here, I think the only guy I may have suggested might be better than Brady is Aaron Rodgers. It’s obviously not based on championships - it’s not quantifiable at all. It’s simply a matter of having watched everyone since the Starr / Unitas era with a semi-educated eye. I’ve just never seen anyone who plays all facets of the position as well as him. It’s like watching Jordan play basketball (and I’m not calling him the GOAT over LeBron or Wilt either) - he just seems to have been designed from the ground up to play the position. The way he reads defenses (where he’s not better than Brady but is probably as good), the way he moves with the ball, buys time, moves in the pocket, sees the field, runs when he has to, and good lord, the way he throws is just several different things of beauty. He throws into tighter windows with the whole gamut of hard to soft throws and when he’s healthy, he almost never makes a bad throw. There’s nobody I’ve been more impressed watching over the years and I’m not a Packers fan at all. Maybe Mahomes has some of that DNA - he’s showing some signs of it, but it’s way too early to say... Other than Rodgers, I’m not suggesting anyone else even MIGHT be better than Brady, but a few others I think are AS GOOD. So there’s no confusion... -Ray |
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Come on, guys... let it go.
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