The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > General Acoustic Guitar Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-16-2019, 10:10 PM
Tnfiddler Tnfiddler is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Middle Tn
Posts: 3,722
Default Decades of experience probably means you know what you’re doing!

So I thought I would upgrade the plastic bridge pins on my new D-41 to bone because bone obviously has to be better! WRONG! It looks like nearly 100 years of using plastic bridge pins means Martin must know a little bit about what they’re doing. The bone pins seriously tarnished the sound of a fabulous sounding guitar! It still sounded great, but it lost the tone that made me fall in love with this guitar in the first place. It didn’t have the volume either, so, needless to say, the plastic pins are back in it and the magic is back. No more experimenting with this guitar except for strings.
__________________
Education is important! Guitar is importanter!!



2019 Bourgeois “Banjo Killer” Aged Tone Vintage Deluxe D
2018 Martin D41 Ambertone (2018 Reimagined)
2016 Taylor GS Mini Koa ES2
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-16-2019, 10:15 PM
jklotz jklotz is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 3,561
Default

I went through this with a Martin Jeff Tweedy a while back. Bone, ebony, tusq, etc etc. In the end, the stock plastic one's worked the best. I suppose I had to go beat my head against a wall to figure that out.

These days, I won't mess with it unless there is a specific problem that needs to be solved.
__________________
My Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jamesklotz
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-16-2019, 10:20 PM
Jaden Jaden is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 1,960
Default

I know it’s common for some to complain about the use of plastic on a fairly expensive guitar but plastic holds the ball end of the string in place and it’s *uber light*

As soon as unnecessary weight is added to the bridge, responsiveness declines - akin to adding a larger, heavier bridge plate to a guitar.

Plastic allows for the bridge to remain light and responsive.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-16-2019, 10:21 PM
C-ville Brent C-ville Brent is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 424
Default

Tnfiddler, you may have just burst my bubble. I bought a D-41 about a month ago and although I had a set of tusq (black with pau dots) ready, I used the plastic originals when I put on a new set of strings.

Sometimes the world works in mysterious ways.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-16-2019, 10:37 PM
Glennwillow Glennwillow is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Coastal Washington State
Posts: 45,133
Default

I have found that the plastic pins that came with my 1967 Martin D-35 -- the original ones -- are the ones that sound the best. They are pretty beat up but they still work.

- Glenn
__________________
My You Tube Channel
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-16-2019, 10:48 PM
C-ville Brent C-ville Brent is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 424
Default

Seems like you guys are kind of undermining the whole aftermarket guitar bridge pin industry.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-17-2019, 12:26 AM
gmel555 gmel555 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Lower Slower Delaware
Posts: 2,800
Default

My Bourgeois LDBO has stock ivoroid pins. They're plastic, a good quality, but plastic non-the-less. The tone is such that -other than strings- I have no plans -or interest- in changing anything else on this guitar. As Billy Joel sang: 🎵"I love you just the way you are" 🎵.
__________________
“The tapestry of life is more important than a single thread.”
R. Daneel Olivaw in I. Asimov's Robots and Empire.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-17-2019, 04:01 AM
lowrider lowrider is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 7,074
Default

The thing is that you'll never know unless you try. I tried a set of Tusq pins on my Road Series and they made it harsh. I put back the plastic pins and it sounded great again. A year later, I tried bone pins and it sounded better.

Bridge pins a cheap and easy to switch. And like I said, you won't know until you try changing them.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-17-2019, 04:10 AM
cdkrugjr cdkrugjr is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 636
Default

You know every time I read about "Liquid Metal Bridge Pins" my brain jumps right to Terminator II . . .
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-17-2019, 05:13 AM
IndyHD28 IndyHD28 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Indiana
Posts: 622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cdkrugjr View Post
You know every time I read about "Liquid Metal Bridge Pins" my brain jumps right to Terminator II . . .
There’s been all kinds of criticism of the LM pins on the Modern Deluxes by people who have never seen them in person. Both LM and Martin did tons of research to prove their worth. In fact, LM also perfected a bridge but Martin wasn’t prepared to go that far. Too bad.
__________________
Consensus, by definition, is a lack of leadership.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-17-2019, 05:25 AM
martingitdave martingitdave is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Chicago
Posts: 11,395
Default

Plastic pins are Neutral sounding. They don’t seem to add or detract from the sound. Most of my guitars sounded better with plastic. Some guitars sound better with bone (my D-28 Marquis and my Guild F-512). And one oddball seems to sound better with crazy liquid metal. I tried all the pins I have on hand with all my guitars. In the end, the stock choice usually sounded best regardless of the material.
__________________
"Lift your head and smile at trouble. You'll find happiness someday."
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-17-2019, 05:50 AM
Dustinfurlow Dustinfurlow is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Asheville, NC
Posts: 2,726
Default

My 12-fret mahogany/spruce Larrivee is the same way. I’ve tried several different sets of bone pins in disbelief but the plastic prevails.
__________________
Dustin Furlow

-Award-winning songwriter/guitarist, Visual storyteller
-D’Addario, G7th and K&K Sound Artist
-Music on Spotify, Apple Music and YouTube: www.youtube.com/dustinfurlow
-New album "Serene" (Oct '23) and tablature
available at www.dustinfurlow.com
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-17-2019, 05:53 AM
Rev Roy's Avatar
Rev Roy Rev Roy is offline
Resident Guitar Hack
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Northwest Oklahoma
Posts: 7,193
Default

Count me among those who don’t hear much tonal difference when changing pins. I put bone pins in my 41 and - to my ears - it sounds just as glorious as it did with plastic. Only noticeably difference is aesthetic.
__________________
Walker Clark Fork (Adi/Honduran Rosewood)
Edmonds OM-28RS - Sunburst (Adi/Old Growth Honduran)


Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-17-2019, 05:58 AM
Mr. Jelly's Avatar
Mr. Jelly Mr. Jelly is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Sioux City, Iowa
Posts: 7,883
Default

My contention is that it isn't the material so much as the fit of the pins. Most often the pins that fit the best are the pins that came with the guitar. I'm just saying …..
__________________
Waterloo WL-S, K & K mini
Waterloo WL-S Deluxe, K & K mini
Iris OG, 12 fret, slot head, K & K mini

Follow The Yellow Brick Road
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-17-2019, 06:02 AM
Murphy Slaw Murphy Slaw is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 3,063
Default

I've been telling my kids that for years.

Decades, actually...
__________________
The Murph Channel

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkomGsMJXH9qn-xLKCv4WOg
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > General Acoustic Guitar Discussion






All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=