The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Acoustic Amplification

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #31  
Old 04-23-2023, 08:22 AM
martingitdave's Avatar
martingitdave martingitdave is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Chicago
Posts: 10,968
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzardwhiskey View Post
I think the HiFi has a very stage ready sound. A better controlled quack and a rolled-off treble is my recipe for a useful acoustic in a band.

I agree with this. I thought it had a good sound and it has a convenient install for an active pickup.
__________________
"Lift your head and smile at trouble. You'll find happiness someday."
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 04-23-2023, 08:25 AM
dilver dilver is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 419
Default

I just don’t get it… the HiFi is supposed to be this great new innovation and it just sounds muffled to me. Premier Guitar has a video from NAMM and at the very end a guys comes in a plays for a bit and it’s very piezo quacky. For those on this thread that are liking how the HiFi sounds, does the lack of treble response not bother you?

Last edited by dilver; 04-23-2023 at 04:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 04-23-2023, 12:58 PM
SpruceTop SpruceTop is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rochester, New York
Posts: 12,152
Default

Thanks, Aaron. I hear the Anthem sounding the best and the HiFi next. I thought the Element would pick up more top tapping as it's supposedly designed to sense a goodly proportion of its tonal component from top vibration. It does pick up top vibration much better in a carbon guitar with that material's more efficient vibrational transmission properties as also does the Fishman Matrix UST.
__________________
Martin HD-28 Sunburst/Trance M-VT Phantom
Martin D-18/Ultra Tonic
Adamas I 2087GT-8
Guild F-212XL STD
Huss & Dalton TD-R
Taylor 717e
Taylor 618e
Taylor 614ce
Larrivee D-50M/HiFi
Larrivee D-40R Blue Grass Special/HiFi
Larrivee D-40R Sunburst
Larrivee C-03R Tommy Emmanuel/Trance M-VT Phantom
RainSong BI-DR1000N2
Emerald X20
Yamaha FGX5
Avian Skylark 2A
Republic Duolian/Schatten NR-2
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 04-24-2023, 09:24 AM
JackB1 JackB1 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,127
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dilver View Post
I just donít get itÖ the HiFi is supposed to be this great new innovation and it just sounds muffled to me. Premier Guitar has a video from NAMM and at the very end a guys comes in a plays for a bit and itís very piezo quacky. For those on this thread that are liking how the HiFi sounds, does the lack of treble response not bother you?
I agree it sounds muffled for sure. I don't even know how it can sound muffled on a direct recording, but it does.
__________________
Gear: Martin SC13e, PRS Hollowbody II Piezo, Martin HPL 000, PRS Angelus A50E
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 04-24-2023, 09:54 AM
Monsum Monsum is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 467
Default

I noticed that when you play fingerstyle in your video the low E is quieter in the HiFi pickup.
There might be a string balance issue like it sometimes happen in the Schatten HFN.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 09-16-2023, 09:36 PM
acousticchiq acousticchiq is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2023
Posts: 32
Default

anthem sounded the best but are we just going to ignore how the anthem muffles the sound of the guitar unplugged?

that last bonus comparison was concerning, especially if you have a really high end acoustic that sounds great unplugged, you'd muffle it with an anthem
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 09-17-2023, 09:14 AM
Petty1818 Petty1818 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 4,457
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by acousticchiq View Post
anthem sounded the best but are we just going to ignore how the anthem muffles the sound of the guitar unplugged?

that last bonus comparison was concerning, especially if you have a really high end acoustic that sounds great unplugged, you'd muffle it with an anthem
Yes, because honestly thatís been massively blown out of proportion. If people are hearing that much of a change to their guitar then something else is up IMO.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 09-17-2023, 10:28 AM
nostatic's Avatar
nostatic nostatic is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: central coast
Posts: 790
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzardwhiskey View Post
I think the HiFi has a very stage ready sound. A better controlled quack and a rolled-off treble is my recipe for a useful acoustic in a band.
This is where the rubber hits the road - how does it sound on a gig. In the studio 9 times out of 10 (99 out of 100) you're going to mic an acoustic because that is the gold standard. But out on a gig, how good it sounds depends on the player, the room, and the context.

fwiw I gigged K&K equipped guitars and HiFi in the same room under the same context (solo). The HiFi didn't sound "muffled" in that case, and certainly required far less eq than the K&K. My only complaint with the HiFi was the lower level than my Dobro (or NC-2) so I had to deal with that somehow. Easiest way was using a bit of boost on an Empress ParaEQ.

Listening at home (or on YouTube) will NOT fully inform you how well something will work on a gig. I've lost track of the times I had something I thought sounded great at home then either disappeared in a mix or had some other issue. In fact yesterday I pulled a Diamond Comp/EQ off my board to make space for the ParaEQ, as I was finding at home the Empress comp a bit more open. Sure enough I found myself wishing I'd run 2 comps like I had at the previous gig (different venue, still solo) as I like the dobro though one of them, Collings through the other. In listening back to the recording from the gig, in the moment it was a bigger deal than after, and likely more the different feel as opposed to a big sonic difference. But feel matters to, especially with comps.

I haven't decided if I'll put a HiFi in the JL. The NC-2 is working well and I don't click it much. But I've already drilled out the end pin so the hard part is done...
__________________
Beard Radio R Squareneck Hipshot | Martin 000-28 CA 1937 | Collings OM1 JL | Collings I-30 LC | Anderson Raven
Fodera fretted and Rob Allen fretless basses
2022 album | new 2023 album | live album | nostatic site

ďSometimes science is more art than scienceÖĒ - Rick Sanchez
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 09-17-2023, 11:20 AM
jricc jricc is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Jersey Shore
Posts: 4,650
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
Listening at home (or on YouTube) will NOT fully inform you how well something will work on a gig. I've lost track of the times I had something I thought sounded great at home then either disappeared in a mix or had some other issue.
THIS x 100. So agree with you nostatic. I've had the same experience. Sounds great at home with decent amount of volume, only to get on the gig and it doesn't sound so good...
__________________
-Joe

Martin 000-1
Rainsong CH-OM
Martin SC10e sapele


My Band's Spotify page https://open.spotify.com/artist/2KKD...SVeZXf046SaPoQ
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 09-18-2023, 02:31 PM
JackB1 JackB1 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,127
Default

I think the Element is a very underrated pickup IMO. It sounds WAAAAAY better than any Fishman sonitone, which is what it competes with. Not sure why more companies choose Fishman over Baggs for their IEM pickups?
__________________
Gear: Martin SC13e, PRS Hollowbody II Piezo, Martin HPL 000, PRS Angelus A50E
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 09-18-2023, 03:10 PM
Petty1818 Petty1818 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 4,457
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JackB1 View Post
I think the Element is a very underrated pickup IMO. It sounds WAAAAAY better than any Fishman sonitone, which is what it competes with. Not sure why more companies choose Fishman over Baggs for their IEM pickups?
The Element definitely competes with the Matrix. The Sonitone is a similar design to the Element but itís Fishmanís budget friendly UST. The Matrix and Element are the flagship pickups.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 09-19-2023, 10:03 AM
JackB1 JackB1 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,127
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Petty1818 View Post
The Element definitely competes with the Matrix. The Sonitone is a similar design to the Element but itís Fishmanís budget friendly UST. The Matrix and Element are the flagship pickups.
I've tried both and I don't hear a big difference between the Matrix and the Element.
__________________
Gear: Martin SC13e, PRS Hollowbody II Piezo, Martin HPL 000, PRS Angelus A50E
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 09-19-2023, 10:05 AM
Petty1818 Petty1818 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 4,457
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JackB1 View Post
I've tried both and I don't hear a big difference between the Matrix and the Element.
They are very similar. I was just pointing out that the Element is competing more with the Matrix vs. the Sonitone.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 09-19-2023, 10:54 AM
guitaniac guitaniac is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 6,655
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Petty1818 View Post
They are very similar. I was just pointing out that the Element is competing more with the Matrix vs. the Sonitone.
Unlike the Matrix, the Element and the Sonitone are very rugged and donít easily fall victim to a hum caused by shielding damage. The Element and Sonicore transducers also have the advantage (with manufacturers AND do-it- yourselfers) of being easier to install.

When Cordoba came out with their nylon string stage guitar, Larry Fishman did a little interview claiming the Sonitone transducer had been improved upon with a more responsive piezo material. In any event, Cordoba used a Sonitone/Fishman SBT combo for that guitar.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 09-19-2023, 11:08 AM
guitaniac guitaniac is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 6,655
Default

On the subject of the HiFi, the HiFi installation instructions mention that a passive soundhole mag would be a good pickup choice for wiring to the HiFi preampís auxiliary input (because of the magís relatively low impedance). The passive mag signal would appear on the ring signal path of a stereo cable or stereo-to-Y cable.

I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing HiFi/mag dual source combos.
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Acoustic Amplification

Thread Tools





All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=