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Great insight Doubleneck. I really like that post! Based on that information guitars made from wood pulp (albeit stronger than CF) still have a major enemy in H20. It would be interesting to see and, more importantly, hear, a guitar made from this product though.
All in all maybe it's best to just be open minded on this topic. Materials, sound, aesthetic, and whatever else under the sun is ENTIRELY subjective. If I write a song on the guitar- it doesn't really matter what the guitar sounds like or what it's made of: when it hits the ears of the listener THAT is what is most important- that you've shared your heart with them, blessed them, a created a melody for them to chew on. If you can do that (especially making money at it and with lasting musical memory that survives the next decade of music/ art nuevo) you are successful. Right? |
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A number of people have commented on the cost of CF, and that is certainly something I am struggling with. Its kind of a chicken/egg situation....make the CF guitars cheaper to pull more people into the fold, or wait until the interest in CF grows enough to enable cheaper production and lower prices. I vote for make them cheaper to pull more people in
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I question if cheaper comes anytime soon, wood is cheap and makes a good guitar. A Chinese connection hasn't emerged yet but that may be the only way, and still Chinese wood guitars will be cheaper.
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I think that as long as we are talking carbon fiber guitars the street price will have to be well above $1000 for any manufacturer to thrive, but there is definitely a market for less expensive versions of CF guitars so look for guitars made with other, less expensive materials in the future. Blackbird is experimenting with a new material but I think it's more about tonal improvement than keeping the cost down.
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If they do they wont sell, it's as simple as that. BTW, the current price of $2000 give or take for an all carbon fiber guitar, about the same as a Martin D-18 or Taylor 510 is quite fair in my opinion.
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I don't disagree to me they are a bargain for what they are. If you look at other CF instruments like violins, cellos, they are more than twice the cost of CF guitars.
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So what would it take for CF guitars to become more mainstream? Marketing. |
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Talk about marketing what did Ovation do to convince people that their guitars made sense, got Glen Campbell to play the exclusively. Made me buy one! Carbon company's don't have the deep pockets of Charles Kaman.
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Marketing is educating the buying public.
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Very true, I think it hurts that you don't see major stars with carbon hanging around them.
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Marketing only works to a point. If the dogs don't eat the dog food, no amount of marketing will change that.
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..all the way to the point of getting the guitars in the hands of potential buyers. But you are right that after that the guitar needs to take over the sales pitch so you do have to start with a good product. As for celebrities playing the guitars, whether they are being paid or chose to play the guitars, it's just another form of marketing.
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