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Old 02-25-2010, 10:36 AM
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No, only if you hold the soldering iron in one position. I learned it from a guy who used virtually the same method on his banjo to "shrink" one of the tuner holes because his tuner was rotating.
"sloppy grommet syndrome"?.....over use/abuse ?...wow.
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Old 02-25-2010, 10:47 AM
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I'd respond but cannot see the keyboard very well through the tears of laughter! You guys are great!
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:11 AM
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Ugh...you guys are unstoppable, I am trying my hardest to be good here, but y'all are not making it easy.
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:13 AM
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Ugh...you guys are unstoppable, I am trying my hardest to be good here, but y'all are not making it easy.
I hope your not suggesting someone is deliberately making it hard?
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:15 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but I never had a reason or desire to fiddle with the thing. Is it common practice to mess with it?
I was told you'll go blind if you do.

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I just got off the phone with my local luthier. He recommended rubbing the endpin real fast, and the moisture in your hand and the friction will make the endpin swell slightly, and will create a much tighter fit in the hole. He was a little aghast that someone would actually stick a soldering iron in their end pin hole. He said if you stick a soldering iron in your end pin hole as recommened, it will swell up so fast you couldn't drive an end pin in that hole with a hammer.
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I just got off the phone with my local luthier. He recommended rubbing the endpin real fast, and the moisture in your hand and the friction will make the endpin swell slightly, and will create a much tighter fit in the hole. He was a little aghast that someone would actually stick a soldering iron in their end pin hole. He said if you stick a soldering iron in your end pin hole as recommened, it will swell up so fast you couldn't drive an end pin in that hole with a hammer.
Did he mention anything about keeping the strap on? Also, what you describe seems like a lot of work and it may be helpful to get some help from a spouse or significant other if possible.
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Old 02-25-2010, 12:42 PM
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Has somebody already mentioned ginger root as a possible solution for the loose end pin problem ? My luthier turn me onto this a number of years ago and I swear by it. My only caution is to use it sparingly, trust me on this.
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Old 02-25-2010, 01:42 PM
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I once chatted with Mike Ness (lead guitarist of Social Distortion) about this exact issue. He had originally followed the advice of his brother, Paul, and gone with the gluing technique. Whilst ok, he too eventually went with the ginger root technique recommend by Frayne48 after his other brother, Andrew, insisted he give it a try. He now swears by it.

On an interesting side note, Ness was the original owner of the one-bedroom apartment described in The Adolescents song "Kids of the Black Hole". The punk house was located in Fullerton, California in the 1980s.
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Just got off the phone with my luthier and he told me the correct term used in the trade for proper seating of the end pin using the ginger root method is actually called figging, supposedly named after some early 16th century practice luthiers developed in France.

Actually kind of surprised no one else is aware of this fix for loose end pins, also works when changing strings with those little string push-in end pins, or whatever they are called these days.

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Old 02-25-2010, 02:05 PM
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I once chatted with Mike Ness (lead guitarist of Social Distortion) about this exact issue. He had originally followed the advice of his brother, Paul, and gone with the gluing technique. Whilst ok, he too eventually went with the ginger root technique recommend by Frayne48 after his other brother, Andrew, insisted he give it a try. He now swears by it.

On an interesting side note, Ness was the original owner of the one-bedroom apartment described in The Adolescents song "Kids of the Black Hole". The punk house was located in Fullerton, California in the 1980s.
I wonder if that was the inspiration for "Dear Lover"?

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Old 02-25-2010, 02:28 PM
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I just got off the phone with my local luthier. He recommended rubbing the endpin real fast, and the moisture in your hand and the friction will make the endpin swell slightly, and will create a much tighter fit in the hole. He was a little aghast that someone would actually stick a soldering iron in their end pin hole. He said if you stick a soldering iron in your end pin hole as recommened, it will swell up so fast you couldn't drive an end pin in that hole with a hammer.
So,..what you're saying is that my fears off over-swelling my grommet permanently shut are not unfounded?...I'd prefer that not be the case...jack insert or not...I can always use it as an "out".
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:23 PM
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I just got off the phone with my local luthier. He recommended rubbing the endpin real fast, and the moisture in your hand and the friction will make the endpin swell slightly, and will create a much tighter fit in the hole. He was a little aghast that someone would actually stick a soldering iron in their end pin hole. He said if you stick a soldering iron in your end pin hole as recommened, it will swell up so fast you couldn't drive an end pin in that hole with a hammer.
He's never done it before then. Its a safe effective way to "shrink" the hole.
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If I were going to try and shrink the hole using the soldering gun method, I'd do it this way rather than the advice given earlier. Insert the damp rag wrapped around a cold soldering gun into the hole. **Note "cold" soldering gun. Plug in the gun to an electrical outlet and when the rag starts sizzling, pull the hot tip out immediately or risk damaging the hole.
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I just don't like the idea of using a tool that could seriously burn my jackhole. There's got to be a more natural method that's less hazardous. I'm allergic to ginger root, thought. Does powdered ginger have the same effect if you mix it with water?
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