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A set of medium gauge strings, 0.013 to 0.056 pulls a total of 80.67 Kg on a 65 cm string length. A light gauge set, 0.010 to 0.050 pulls 60.69 Kg on the same string length.
If you tune all the strings of a light gauge set up three semi-tones the pull goes up to 85.82 Kg, just slightly more than the medium gauge set. That wouldn't do much, if any, harm to a normal guitar. Do the same to the medium set and the pull goes up to 114.06 Kg. I suppose that if I wanted to tune up several frets, and I don't, I'd go to a lighter string set first. |
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A typical light gauge set, at least what I'm accustomed to, runs at .012 to .053 on average. The resultant Force number is higher I suspect, and closer to mediums. You bring up a useful option for the OP though. He should get those numbers for what he/she is attempting to do. To make sure they remain in the ball park once the guitar is tuned up. Lastly, some custom guitars are braced for light gauge. Even mediums on those would not be a good idea. So, the OP should proceed with caution, and do some homework prior to tuning up so high.
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Hi AndreF, now you point it out you are right. The figures come from this site;
http://www.mcdonaldstrings.com/stringxxiii.html scroll down for the good bit. The numbers are from the first two of their drop down pre-sets. You can input any string size, string length and type and tuning. |
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Use a capo or fit ligher strings.
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Could get away with it on a 12 string with just six string on with a set of 12's. Tension is still less than all 12 strings tuned to standard on a standard set. Capo takes neck space.
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I appreciate the capo robs you of some frets, which is why lighter strings than 12s would be OK for a higher tuning with no capo. I reckon 9s could go some way up, maybe as much as 4 or 5 half-steps.
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Up to open E if running light (.012) strings.
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tuning (i.e. about three to four half steps over standard tuning pitches).
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Thou shall not tune higher than standard........
All but 3 of my guitars are in DADGAD and lower tunings. If I want higher, I'll use a capo. If something I wanted to learn was in "open E" I would do this "Open E" = E-B-E-G♯-B-E. I would tune to D-A-D-F#-A-D and use a capo on 2. Masaaki Kishibe uses this tuning often btw. Your strings will thank you.
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I do the same. The only instance where I tune up to open E without worry is when I'm doodling on my strat. But never on the acoustics.
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The 16 3rd from a set of 9s is the usual 2nd in a set of 12s, so that would easily go to B, just a little tighter at C. Likewise for the remaining lower strings. The risky one would be the 9 itself, I guess. I'm not sure I'd want to tune a 9 up to A. Not without wearing some protective clothing...
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You going need a scale length 23 or less to tune to A4 safely. I would not tune the octave G on 12 string any higher. |
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But of course that does mean that a normal set of 6-string 9s could easily go a m3 higher. As I said before, the other 5 strings on a set that light can clearly go up by a 4th. It's just that top 9 that would be risky. Maybe an 8 would do it?
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I gravitate towards the songs I want to learn to play - and if there's some magic in what I hear, and I choose to learn the song, if it's in an alternate tuning, I'll often use that tuning.
Simon fox has some songs that require turning some strings higher than standard. As I recall, low to high, one tuning is F, A#, D, F, C D#. It's called Smithy's porridge. Beautiful song and so easy to play - in that tuning. You could lower every note by 1/2 or a full step, and use a cappo, but it does impact the overall end product. There are some guitars that I'm less comfortable using this tuning, given the additional tension - where the guitar is lighter and perhaps at greater risk of damage from the stress added by tuning up the lower strings. Stuart |
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I used to keep my Takamine (EAN-20) in Open E all the time. It had 13-56 mediums on it and sounded great and hasn’t even a hint of a belly on its solid cedar top. That particular guitar loves alternate tunings. It sounds great in DADGAD, Open D, Open G and Open E. For about 10 years it’s been in Eb standard. All my other guitars are much more finicky about strings and tunings, but my Tak is tough as nails and seems to respond to many different tensions and resonances.
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