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Would I use another insert cable coming out of the ToneDexter to the other effects and back into the ToneDexter then send the final signal to the PA from the "out" from the ToneDexter?
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Right, Felix works exactly the same way as ToneDexter as far as the effects insert. Most (or at least many) guitar preamps do it like this. I know it seems complicated, but it's not in practice. Just plug the TRS into TD (today) or Felix (when you get one), and then forget about that - you will have two plugs on the end of the Y cable, one that goes into your effects chain, the other that comes back out of your effects chain.
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Those are the only quarter-inch inputs ToneDexter has, so yes. In this case, you're treating ToneDexter like any effects box. The fact that it has an XLR/DI out and its own effects loop is irrelevant at this point. Just think of it as being the same as your reverb or whatever, with a 1/4 inch input and 1/4 inch out.
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I assume that the other effects could come off the TD insert cable connection in the back and then out of the TD to the PA? Not sure why anyone would want to do this but I assume that would technically work?
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Gtr In -> ToneDexter Magic -> Insert Point -> DI out When you plug a cable into the insert point and add some other boxes, you get Gtr In -> ToneDexter Magic -> Insert Out -> Your Effects Boxes -> Insert In -> DI out The only jack that gets your guitar routed thru the ToneDexter magic is the guitar in on the right hand side of the box.
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I just set up to use my ToneDexter with a Boss DM-2w delay pedal. WOW is that cool. I use the effects loop out-in on the TDx. That way I can use the TDx XLR out or 1/4" out depending on where I'm going.
My oh my, that is a fantastic sound. Just a little short delay on the natural sound. I'm swooning.
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When you use the effects loop on a preamp like ToneDexter or Felix, you still get to use the DI out to send an XLR cable to a mixer. If you're just plugging into an amp, it probably doesn't matter. For example, this is fine to cascade effects: gtr in-> TD -> 1/4 out -> reverb -> amp But if you go into a PA and do that, you'll end up needing a DI at the end of the chain, which would be a waste, since TD already has a DI out. Also, for more complex scenarios like a PA plus a stage amp, the effects loop makes it all work. Example: gtr in -> ToneDexter -----> XLR out to PA | FX ^ -----> 1/4 out to stage amp | | V | reverb
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My ideal setup was to put my AG Stomp in the insert but I found I was turning the input level on the AG down to avoid overloading the AG input, then setting the AG output gain at max to feed the insert return something it was happy with, resulting in annoying but not catastrophic noise and a less detailed and transparent outcome. Daisychaining (AG>TD) made it better but the connectors made it just too big for my pedal case. As it turned out my guitar was better suited to the TD and mandola to the AG so I just separated them and used a different mixer channel for each.
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yes, I have run into gain-staging issues with effects loops on preamps before as well. I don't think there's any standard for levels on guitar pedals, or maybe there are too many standards. Usually, you just have to try it and see if it works.
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Does this mean that high-impedance devices should use the insert loop, while low-impedance devices should be daisy-chained?
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Impedance mostly matters with passive devices - active systems are inherently buffered. Your example of a volume pedal is, I think, passive, so it may matter more. But as always, I'm sure there are exceptions to everything, you just have to try it and see - and what one person thinks sounds good, another will think sounds bad :-)
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