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Just curious, is anybody having problems trying to sing while playing? I have never been able to make it happen. The instant that I start singing my playing goes straight to hell. I’m told that I have a great voice but I simply go mental trying to sing and play. I’ve tried different suggestions with little to no results. I guess I’m in good company, Jimmy Paige has the same problem. Any suggestions would be great but history has shown that it is impossible. Thanks for your input.
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I doubt that I'm alone in saying that the only reason I took up guitar was to accompany my singing.
Remember that the song and the story of the lyrics are the priority. The guitar accompaniment is secondary.
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Just have to be able to rub your belly and pat your head at the same time.
It’s easier to sing songs where the vocal rhythm matches the guitar part - I always figure these were written by guitar players. The guitar part can be simple - just strumming some chords - behind the vocal, because as mentioned above, people are listening to the words, not the flashy guitar parts. |
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It's a challenge for sure
For me, it seems like I need to have the guitar part down so it can run on auto pilot and I can concentrate on singing Otherwise, my singing is too tethered to my playing if that makes sense Like everything else.....just keep practicing
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When I started playing it was difficult because I was still working on my guitar playing. You just need to practice.
I remember trying to play/sing Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd) back in the late 80s. It was challenging. My buddy told me you just have to practice, and that's what I did. Make sure you have the guitar part down before trying to sing. |
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That's my story. I was a singer, and couldn't find accompanists who knew how to play what I was singing. So I learned guitar to accompany myself. |
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Yep. Rub your belly and pat your head. Don't know why, but I never really had a problem singing and playing guitar other than being asked to quit singing ..... but when it comes to singing and playing electric bass, the bass playing goes out the window. Much to do about rhythm I'm sure.
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Try starting the first lyric on the downbeat of a strum. Think outside yourself, relax and feel it. Get out of your head. That's when you lose track of what's going on and lose the beat with the guitar. All in the privacy of an isolated space. It'll take many efforts to get started but if you keep trying it will happen. If you don't keep trying it'll never happen. It takes concentration not feeling.
I never wanted to sing. I just wanted to be a guitar player. I couldn't take playing the crap material singers wanted to do. So I started singing. I found that the only way I could sing in tune was to listen to the guitar I was playing and adjust my voice to be in tune with the guitar
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Not that I'm any good...and I'm not being humble, I'm being objective, but my learning to sing while strumming has had a huge positive impact on my overall "musicality".
I don't find it difficult...but I don't think I could sing while fingerpicking, or anything more complicated than basic strumming. I would need to be really focused on where my fingers were going to do that, for every note versus every bar or so.
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I'm with the singer first group. I was a singer before I was a guitar player. I know several people who want to sing but have trouble doing both and almost without exception they are trying to accompany their guitar playing with their singing, not the other way around. Just concentrate on singing and let the guitar come along for the ride.
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It’s totally normal. It just takes practice, and simplifying the guitar part over the verse to the point you can on autopilot. Save the fancy guitar work for the intros and outros, it will sound better anyway. When I’m learning a new song, I’m usually just strumming half or whole notes to keep time and follow the chord changes, then gradually add in syncopation as I get more comfortable with the vocal. I get a lot of mileage out of a simple Travis roll with alternating bass and the occasional melody note too, kind of the guitar version of piano fake books. Sounds impressive to people who don’t know better.
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It took me a long time to get them together. When I started, no one told me that they're two different instruments (duh!). I was essentially learning bit at the same time.
Nowadays, especially with something more complicated, I'll have the guitar down to a science before adding vocals. I have to try harder to sing than to play. Guitar parts become automatic, and that allows me to focus on a solid vocal performance.
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One thing to check is if you are internally verbalizing in order to keep rhythm. If you are, and you start singing, you lose the verbalization and therefore the rhythm. So to sing and play, you need to feel the rhythm rather than think the rhythm.
One method to practice feeling the beat is to use an online metronome where you can program it to blank for a set number of bars. You start at one and gradually increase making sure you get back on time (and making sure you're not using verbal processing either). Then it's just time and practice.
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Martin Last edited by MThomson; 01-17-2021 at 01:53 PM. |
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But if I have any strength as an acoustic guitarist, it's probably being able to just feel my way to strum my way through a song pretty naturally, and that helps me be able to sing with it. I'll never sing well, but I'll never stop doing it because I enjoy it immensely. And to whatever level I can sing on a given day, I think I do it a bit better when I'm playing. -Ray
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