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"Ovation!" There I said it, Steve, and loud and proud as a many-time Ovation/Adamas owner since 1978! My new Adamas I 2087GT-8 sounds well-balanced, huge, and defined with no hum, hiss, or other nasties in its signal. The OCP-1K pickup, along with the onboard top-of-the-line Op Pro Studio preamp enables the complete system to pick up string, body, and top vibrations, and to process it all, or not, with some studio-like parameters. I believe the OPC-1K pickup, houses bending-type (someone, please correct me if I'm wrong) piezo elements that help impart a warm signal output.
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Sorry, but never met an Ovation I liked. Between that fugly headstock and the rounded backs and the weird body graphics....uhmmm, no. Wish they would make more traditional looking guitars. And you need to buy their >$1K models to get the good electronics package. The cheaper ones sound horrible plugged in.
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What taints my view of Ovation is the number of players I have seen at bars using them but with tons of chorus added on. Not sure what it is about that brand, but I see more guys using chorus with them than any other guitar!
With that said, I listen to some of the 70/80's live recordings by guys like Cat Stevens, Paul Simon, Lindsey Buckingham etc., who all used Ovation and their tone is honestly quite nice. Most of them actually had worse tone once they switched from Ovation to Martin/Taylor guitars with Fishman electronics. In terms of the LB6, I wanted to try that one but when it arrived, I realized it was just a bit too long for my Taylor saddle. I am not one for getting into altering the saddle slot, especially for a pickup I have never used. With regards to the Takamine, palathetic pickup, I still think it's one of the best. If I had a couple guitars that I loved and just needed a gigging guitar, I would probably get a Tak, Maton etc. As a point of reference, I am a big fan of a band here in Canada, Great Big Sea. The two guitar players use Takamine guitars and since they are an energetic celtic/folk group, they often do a lot of strumming, which is more on the aggressive side. This is the type of music my band plays as well. They did a live album and it's one of the only live albums I can think of where the band is strumming aggressively and the guitars actually don't sound bad haha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uRR...1aD-PU&index=2 |
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At least it's a good example. although extreme, of what I think of of as ''quack''. It seems like from this thread that some people think of any unpleasant guitar sound is described as quacking. |
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By the way, it was -42° Fahrenheit up in Timmins, Ontario, this morning, a place near and dear to my younger days.
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One of the reasons those early recordings sounded so good is the fact that they were running through a miked electric-guitar amp - as Charlie Kaman intended - rather than direct-to-board... I've gone direct-to-house, as well as through a dedicated acoustic-electric amp - as expected, it sounded like total garbage... If there's no amp at the venue, I'll bring one of my own... Quote:
As you're also probably aware, the Palathetic pickup is a variation on Ovation's multi-element design... If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
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I actually live around Newmarket (just North of Toronto), so I am not sure where my celtic/folk love came from, but I have always had a connection to the East coast. I grew up listening to the Rankin family (another incredible east coast band) and then GBS. Great Big Sea broke up back in 2012, but Alan Doyle still tours and he is incredible. I have never been to Timmins, but the drummer in my old band just moved there. I did however go to University in North Bay, so I absolutely get the cold weather. It's crazy how bitterly cold it can get! |
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Nice looking Ovation btw, is the top, wood? because it looks like something else. |
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Yes, Timmins can get very cold and I remember from my youth being up there when it was -47° Fahrenheit/-44° Celsius. Several years later, I rode my motorcycle down the middle of Death Valley in the afternoon when it was 118° Fahrenheit/48° Celsius in the shade. I enjoy torturing myself!
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I was just curious, I have always liked the Ovation sound. I bet its sweet to play.
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The "My Guitar But Louder" Syndrome is very much like the Electric Guitar Bedroom Tone Syndrome. Perfect in theory; but mostly useless in real live situations. We tend to be pretty picky with the pursuit of the "natural" tone and not realize that a plugged guitar (regardless of the system) will NEVER sound exactly the way we hear it. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!
Even with mics or condensers (which need to be put, EQ'd and processed the right way or the guitar will sound like junk), an acoustic guitar needs "help" in a live environment, especially with a band. UST's, for all their disadvantages, still work just fine. I'd argue that a good UST, with a good preamp, can deliver the closest to the tone the player hears which, of course, is different to the tone another person or an audience hears. In my experience, using any of my Ovation axes with an old LR Baggs Para DI and then to the mixing console is more than enough.
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