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In-ear headphones with inline mic vs without...
Hi gang, any wisdom here if I would lose sound quality with an in-ear headphone/monitor/earbud that had an in-line microphone vs the same type pair without that option?
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For what purpose are you using them? If it's just to monitor tracking, I guess they'd work but if you're planning on using that inline mic to record, I'm betting you'll be disappointed unless your bar is very low. And I can't imagine being able to mix anything on them.
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Yeah, I hear ya (pardon the pun ). I’ve pretty much decided on getting some KRK KNS8400 over-ear headphones for those decisions when I can find a sale on them. The earbuds are pretty cheap, but have a good reputation for being pretty neutral and flat. I figured for the price I’d just experiment with them some with no worries about money invested. Thanks for your advice jim1960. I’m just starting out on this adventure and need all the help I can get.
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I just got a set of Shure SE215 in ears and they sound pretty good as monitors but are in no way "high fidelity". The SE215 in ears are single driver devices and as you go up the monitor food chain they have more drivers, some have 6 or 7 drivers for each side. Each driver handles a different portion of the audio spectrum. They can also be pricey, and it's not unusual to spend $700 or more on a set. I've only seen earbuds with built in mics, but some in ear monitors might have that ability. |
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I’ve wondered about these too - are IEMs batter able to handle more input, or are they “cleaner” in sound than single driver headphones or earbuds? How do they differentiate, technically, between headphones, earbuds, and IEMs?
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Shure makes another IEM that sells for twice the price that has better high end specifications, but for the average user that's not going to be an advantage. There are many users (such as myself) that feel the increased upper range makes some IEMs sound harsh. |
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I appreciate your thoughts and I agree with you on the potential problems with that increased upper range. I was more interested in that increased lower range level and how it might be useful for a vocal in more the lower baritone/upper bass range as well as capturing the bass of acoustics a little better.
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Remember that generally when you edit your mixes in a DAW the first thing many folks do is slap a high pass filter on acoustic guitar and vocal tracks to get rid of what's generally considered "mud" in the range of 100 to 200 hz. or lower. |
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I know I’m probably overthinking this, but it’s also fun and interesting to learn some new things that I might actually be able to apply in a limited way. Here are two charts. One the Shure SE215 and the other of a SoundMagic e50. At this point, I don’t know how to decipher the numbers (and as you suggest I don’t want to get too hung up on them), but if you don’t mind...what’s your opinion between the two since you already have the SE215? IMG_1983.jpgIMG_1982.jpg
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I can tell you that IEMs are going to be drastically different according to how they fit and particularly how they seal the ear canal. Since I don't have the SoundMagic e50 ones I really have no point of reference to tell you first-hand how they compare, and that would only apply to me as they fit my ear. For any critical application of IEMs there's a need for custom ear canal molds to be made. That's one of the drawbacks to IEMs and no off-the-shelf IEM with interchangable ear seals are going to be the best application. |
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A bit ...maybe more than a bit.
Trying to pick headphones from a frequency chart is like trying to pick a microphone from a frequency chart. It gives you some information but it doesn't give you the most important information. For example, what can a frequency chart tell you about clarity or colorization? As Rudy4 said, read the reviews. You're not buying pro-audio or even consumer-audio level gear here (at least not so far as studio duties are concerned). I've never met someone who is relying on ear buds to do anything of importance in a studio. There can only be two reasons for that. Either ear buds are not well-suited for that work or no one has ever thought of the idea ...and since buds have been around for a long time, the odds of it being the latter are pretty much nil. If you're having fun and learning something, great, but spending a lot of time pouring over the specs and details of every set of buds isn't likely to yield some hidden treasure that the recording industry has yet to discover. So read the reviews and see which buds have impressed people and go with one of those. Quote:
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