Question about tops

[ac]

Originally Posted by Guitarplayer_PR

How about this?

Just to be clear, Emerald does not make Bubinga topped guitars. They are carbon fiber sound boards that can have added optional super thin veneers of several different types of wood fused in a special way for cosmetic purposes.

[ukejon]

Originally Posted by ac

Just to be clear, Emerald does not make Bubinga topped guitars. They are carbon fiber sound boards that can have added optional super thin veneers of several different types of wood fused in a special way for cosmetic purposes.

I was wondering about this. Fauxbinga? Bubingnate?

[Guitarplayer_PR]

Interesting:

http://www.mayones.com/en/katalog/top_wood/bubinga

[kydave]

Originally Posted by Guitarplayer_PR

Interesting:

http://www.mayones.com/en/katalog/top_wood/bubinga

But a veneer on electric instruments is totally unrelated to the wood as a tonewood on tops of acoustic instruments... Not sure of your point in that link...

[Guitarplayer_PR]

Originally Posted by kydave

But a veneer on electric instruments is totally unrelated to the wood as a tonewood on tops of acoustic instruments... Not sure of your point in that link...

Totally? Because you say so. OK.

Wood is wood and just because woods in electric guitars and acoustic guitars are usually different, it doesn't mean their properties will change just because of the way they're used.

[kydave]

Originally Posted by Guitarplayer_PR

Totally? Because you say so. OK.

You disagree? A veneer on a solid body electric relates to tonewood on an acoustic top in what way, then?

[Guitarplayer_PR]

Originally Posted by kydave

You disagree? A veneer on a solid body electric relates to tonewood on an acoustic top in what way, then?

OK, so this is just another case of changing the question in case the answer is not well liked.

I'm talking about bubinga, not veneers. But I guess you're going for the full 12 rounds on this one. OK.

[kydave]

Originally Posted by Guitarplayer_PR

OK, so this is just another case of changing the question in case the answer is not well liked.

I'm talking about bubinga, not veneers. But I guess you're going for the full 12 rounds on this one. OK.

Not at all. You say "Interesting" and post a link to a wood site.

The wood site is NOT referring to bubinga as a "top wood" for acoustic guitars. It is referring to bubinga as a top wood veneer for solid body electric instruments.

So I'm curious, in the context of your original post about bubinga as a top wood on an acoustic, what is "interesting" and what is the relevance of the link.

No changing of the question.

[JohnW63]

GuitarPlayer PR,

Interesting wood choice, to be sure. However, to clear something up... That video clip is of a Celebrity model Ovation and as it is a LOW end guitar, very probably has a bubinga LAMINATE top and not solid. Ovation throws all sorts of cool looking top from all sorts of woods on the Celebrity line. Bird's Eye Maple, and other wildly figured wood. Personally, I have always thought that was a mistake, because they made the low end models look fancier than the real McCoy top end guitars.

So, back to the top on YOUR guitar. Ovation has gotten very good at making very different bracing and working with thin materials on the tops. One line of Adamas guitars has a very thin sheet of spruce between carbon fiber sheets, and the whole thing is THINNER than a normal guitar top. They have not been afraid to think out of the box ! The downside , as it turned out, is that not enough people LIKED the result or even the IDEA of thinking outside the box and did not buy them.

As someone who DOES like that way of thinking and owns a few Ovations, I can tell you that the SS ans Shallow bowl O's have never been too impressive to me, unplugged. Since I am not a working musician, I don't buy them for stage tools, where the SS and S bowls probably work great!

I would also suspect that the density and stiffness of the top would give it sustain, just like solid electric guitars have sustain, in a plugged in setting. However, I think you would lose out on the unplugged end with a top that might take more energy to get going. Of course, if Ovation got the top REALLY thin and braced it right, maybe they got around that problem.

p.s. Don't waste your time replying to the "One Brand" guitar folks. It's like teaching a pig to sing.

[kydave]

Originally Posted by JohnW63

p.s. Don't waste your time replying to the "One Brand" guitar folks. It's like teaching a pig to sing.

When one posts "What do you think about Bubinga as a top tonewood?" I fail to see what that has to do with brands.

Nice guy...



By the way, since you are so non-piggy, non-One Brand, what do you make of:

Interesting:

http://www.mayones.com/en/katalog/top_wood/bubinga

... in the context of the original question?

[Guitarplayer_PR]

Originally Posted by JohnW63

GuitarPlayer PR,

Interesting wood choice, to be sure. However, to clear something up... That video clip is of a Celebrity model Ovation and as it is a LOW end guitar, very probably has a bubinga LAMINATE top and not solid. Ovation throws all sorts of cool looking top from all sorts of woods on the Celebrity line. Bird's Eye Maple, and other wildly figured wood. Personally, I have always thought that was a mistake, because they made the low end models look fancier than the real McCoy top end guitars.

So, back to the top on YOUR guitar. Ovation has gotten very good at making very different bracing and working with thin materials on the tops. One line of Adamas guitars has a very thin sheet of spruce between carbon fiber sheets, and the whole thing is THINNER than a normal guitar top. They have not been afraid to think out of the box ! The downside , as it turned out, is that not enough people LIKED the result or even the IDEA of thinking outside the box and did not buy them.

As someone who DOES like that way of thinking and owns a few Ovations, I can tell you that the SS ans Shallow bowl O's have never been too impressive to me, unplugged. Since I am not a working musician, I don't buy them for stage tools, where the SS and S bowls probably work great!

I would also suspect that the density and stiffness of the top would give it sustain, just like solid electric guitars have sustain, in a plugged in setting. However, I think you would lose out on the unplugged end with a top that might take more energy to get going. Of course, if Ovation got the top REALLY thin and braced it right, maybe they got around that problem.

p.s. Don't waste your time replying to the "One Brand" guitar folks. It's like teaching a pig to sing.

Miss Piggy doesn't sing so bad,

About my O: I really bought it as an "on stage" guitar but I've had other SSB guitars. Of course, a SSB guitar won't have the depth of a deep bowl or a dreadnought (I have at least one of each), but it CAN be used effectively unplugged. But back to tops.

With any kind of wood, specially on tops, we take and we give. No wood will let us do everything we'd like. That's why it's a good thing to have as many different types of guitar as we can. I find bubinga (at least from MY experience) a good wood with a different kind of tone.

[JohnW63]

I've been looking at other Ovations for a different tone as well. Had my eye on a Nylon strung one with a AAA cedar top, last night, but it eBay'd for too much. I would love to get a 1778 KGC Elite, with a Koa top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc4-7jTqEVc

[Guitarplayer_PR]

Originally Posted by JohnW63

I've been looking at other Ovations for a different tone as well. Had my eye on a Nylon strung one with a AAA cedar top, last night, but it eBay'd for too much. I would love to get a 1778 KGC Elite, with a Koa top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc4-7jTqEVc

I've seen that video many times. BTW, it's a mid bowl.

Koa, another great wood.