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Good luck in non looking rapid changes from around the second or third fret to way up on the fretboard. If you want to play accurately and cleanly bounding around the fretboard watch where you are going.
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I've watched several videos of John Williams playing and he watches his left hand frequently...but what did he know! (smile)
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Better question might be why once they began making steel string and electric guitars they thought markers were necessary. Actually, I really never look at fretboard markers while playing. |
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practice enough and the dots are not so much necessary with 12 fret necks. Its a good excuse to really get to know a particular instrument. I have a few guitars with dots and some without. Flamenco uses the Capo a lot, and the dots are actually counterproductive in that situation.
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I have two classical guitars. Both have fret markers. Silver in color. Thanks to a small bottle of finger nail polish.
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A whole puncher and quality sticky notes...
I made some that way for side markers and it works just fine. Almost unnoticeable to the viewer, works great for me. Mine are a subtle orange which actually blend into the wood colour well. However when I look down I see orange on black, so it's fine. They rarely come off as I almost never rap my thumb all the way around a 2" fretboard. Not like I'm strumming an F#/D chord here! You can also switch out colours whenever you want to. |
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No markers really impresses a lot of people in the audience who wonder "how does this guy know where the notes are?".
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If you can play a guitar up the neck with no fret markers it certainly proves you are a somewhat-good guitar player.
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Well it’s been about three months and this post is still rolling and I’m still practicing. I can’t say I’ve gotten good enough to not need the fret markers, but it is getting easier.... slowly but surely. I keep thinking about adding them, (usually when I jump up the neck and get the wrong fret), but just haven’t gotten around to it yet.
I’ve thought about it a bit since first posting and now think it’s pretty silly not to have them just for the sake of not having them. The presence of absence of fret markers really doesn’t change whether people enjoy my playing or not. So logically I’ve already decided to add them, it’s the stubborn part of my brain that’s kept me from doing it. Kind of pressing me to challenge myself😉 Jeff |
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I agree that fretted instruments are easier (for me) with fret markings. I used a white paint pen to put markers on the side of my classical. John |
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Try always holding the guitar in the same position, practice a dozen or so times moving your hand to the right fret position while looking, but try to focus on the feel of the frets when you land, and your hand/thumb position. Then try it once with your eyes closed, open them and see where you landed. Adjust if necessary and repeat. Over time, muscle memory tied to the preceding chord position by your brain will allow you to find the right frets. This is how violinists (and other non-fretted instruments) can make it work. And why it takes years of practice. Each of the hand ‘positions’ need to get programmed into your brain until you can find them just like finding the tip of your nose. But it won’t work without disciplined posture and disciplined (i.e. correct) repetitions. Even after you’ve ‘got it’ you have to keep drilling it in. Also, this is why it’s good not to practice too long (after you get tired), because your posture will slip and the muscle memory will not be consistent. You’ll waste time relearning. I’ve tested this principle on violin (played for 6 months), guitar, and also managed to hit eight out of ten perfect free-throws with a basketball with my eyes closed after three 30 minute sessions of practice - it works! Basically, this is how using The Force works in real life.
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Interesting thread.
A lot of fretting (pun intended) over having position markers or not. Coming from the lutenist/classical guitarist prospective, I've never thought about having or not any markers. Though I guess there are two: the nut and the neck/body join at the twelfth (or whatever for the lute) fret. When I build steel string guitars, position markers are for decoration only and I like that, but don't much need 'em for playing. |
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That pun was just waiting!
Another way they do it especially for young (impatient) students of the viol is to actually tape an adhesive decal on to the fretboard that has lines at the finger positions. But this still requires an instructor to correct precise finger placement for proper pitch. It’s often just a matter of rolling the finger slightly. This combines muscle memory with auditory memory - that’s a lot of training! We fretters have it easy! Though I suppose very sensitive guitar players would adjust finger pressure on the string to ensure intonation with open strings especially using classical string-heights. |
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Some classical's have fret markers, e.g. the Cordoba c10 (I have two). For my classical that does not have fret markers, I buy removable ones from Rosetteguitarpaoducts.com . These are available in other places.
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