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I host my CDs on Bandcamp now, which allows users to download at any rate they like, so if I post a high-def audio track, those who care can get that. I've had people with great home systems tell me they download the high sample rate files and appreciate the sound, so you you know, why not? If Pono takes off, it'd be nice to have that option, too.
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What I hear, or think I hear, in some cases is a bit of difference is in the sense of space, most easily heard in some reverb tails. I even felt there was some difference in that between some of the A/D converters I have used. Frequency response maxing out around 20k in younger people. Ability to detect timings delays between the two ears may go beyond that. I have not read the research on this topic as to what it may suggest. Anyway for me, it ranges from subtle to imaginary.
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But, If Lavrys statement about 44.1 rolling off the top of high end is correct, then given that the high end is where the "air" resides there could actually be a bit more presence or air, in higher sample rate recordings Trevor . I do not think you or anybody posting in this thread has even remotely forwarded the notion that higher sample rate can make a bad recording better. But I would tend to just try to absorb and give some consideration to the thoughts of one of the most well respected designers of converters in the field. Dan Lavry "Although 60 KHz would be closer to the ideal; given the existing standards, 88.2 KHz and 96 KHz are closest to the optimal sample rate." Now some may attempt to dismiss his thinking as anti- science but that is probably based in the misconception that there is any actual well established objective scientific evidence to the contrary. But as has been repeated, there other elements that are going to make a great deal more difference than simply upping the sample rate. There has also been a ongoing discussion on GS about plugins working better in higher sample rates which could for example factor into reverb tails for example.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehetDGUVwf8 You are playing to to the hipsters and the people in the audiophile community who think very expensive power cables make an audible difference. http://nautilusproaudio.com/power_cords.htm But people DO pay for things like this, so maybe musicians should profit from it too by releasing "HD" audio files.
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Until there is evidence from scientific testing, any difference that exists is outside science and not quantifiable. So by definition I think it's anti science. Like I said, I'm open to learning otherwise. Maybe there are people who are hearing "something"... that maybe I can't hear, or that disappears in a/b/x testing, or that is impossible to quantify so far. EDIT: I know I might come off wrong in this thread (maybe pedantic/etc), but the bottom line is there are many reasons why you might want to record at higher sampling rates, but so far none of those reasons can logically include a proven increase in sound quality. A "possible" increase in sound quality, or faith there might be an increase in sound quality, or future proofing, or marketing, or desire to get your files on Pono or HDtracks seem to be to be possible reasons.
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The quality of converters could certainly affect that, I dont know about the sampling rate (maybe). Have you every checked out the Shefield "My Disk" test CDs? They have a test where they keep lowering the volume, from full volume to -70 db. The point is to test where your D/A converters crap out and things no longer sound good. I tried it on the various converters I had at one point, from a sound-blaster to my Cranesong and some things in between. The soundblaster was more or less garbage at -40db, if I recall, which would certainly affect how we hear reverb tails. Anyway, slightly different topic....
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I could imagine (no basis for this, just wildly guessing) that a higher sample rate might work better for some plugins and other digital manipulations where accumulated errors might play a role. Same with using 32 bits or 64 bits internally, and so on. Sometimes I think I prefer the sound of 88/96 to lower rates, but logically, I know I can't hear it and would never pass a blind test. In any case, this is definitely in the "I think someone might be able to hear it, or at least imagine it?" category, not "wow, that recording sounds better". So I don't think it plays much of a role in understanding how to get a good sound.
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There's a fine line between cynicism and opportunism.
BTW, I'm not wired to be an opportunist, but if I were I could probably make a lot of money...
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Seems to me that the assumption of requiring "the burden of proof" is for people saying something like "the law of gravity on earth is changeable" Applicable to something that has an objective well established body of evidence, that would then place the burden of proof on the new contrary idea. I think there is no such credible objective well established body of evidence that higher sample rates sound the same. Until there is credible evidence that objectively compares recording and playback on the same system with the least amount of other variables as is currently technically possible. (Which does not seem to be case in the skewed evidence presented so far here and elsewhere ) . I think assuming that there is no difference is just as anti-science based. This has been interesting but speaking of changing the law of gravity I have to go defy the law gravity by becoming weightless and breath underwater during our local scuba challenge evening cheers
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Science says people can't hear above 20khz. Nyqvist says 44.1 is a good enough sampling rate based on the known limit of 20khz. If people believe there is something that matters above 20k that is not yet known, the burden of proof is on them to prove it. The science about what one can and cannot hear is clear. Quote:
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