Elite Acoustics Engineering D6-8

[dannyg1]

Originally Posted by Cuki79

The EAE will probably sound better with its monitor speaker design. Maybe the Bose will throw differently.

My shop dealer said Monitor speakers are optimised to make the best acoustic image at 1m... but do not throw sound the same as PA speakers

I guess in the case of monitor speakers also called "near field" speakers you want the sound to attenuate the fastest possible so you don't get reflection from the walls of your studio room, whereas PA speakers are meant to throw the further possible.

Don't ask me how they do that: I have no idea.

Near field monitors are typically voiced for 1.5-2m and are also typically smaller boxes. They’re designed to have their bass reinforced with placement up against a wall as well.

The voicing is achieved many through the ‘aim’ of the drivers, with a centered focal point that’s focused on that close range and not much by the lobing of the mid bass driver.

Larger studio monitors are mid field design, still designed with a soffit mounting in mind, so bass light without putting them very near a wall but drivers focused for a 3-5 meter listening position.

PA speakers are typically designed with a dogged emphasis on all out system efficiency and little care for the final sound. The idea is loud as possible, with box resonances controlled only by cab design (and not by internally batting or even more inert, heavy box materials).

In terms of what we’re after, us singer/songwriter types, it is skewed towards the mid field, studio monitor product. Low mid cabinet resonances would cause poorly doubled lobes out of the cabs near the typical crossover point on our vocals and that would be noticed straight away. This is why products like the QSC K10 are so popular. Many people are toying with these as studio monitors.

The Loudbox amps are another example of well built cabinets that are well damped and use Vifa soft dome tweeters - not something you’d really ever see in a PA design. They sound fairly flat in response and have little in the way of annoying doubled cabinet resonances. All of what I just wrote is a good warning for avoiding three and four way systems for vocal performance btw - every x-over point causes its own troubles and the fewer the better.

As all of this pertains to this discussion, both the EAE and the Bose S1 will be primarily designed as mid field systems with a restricted porting that will try to balance effective bass response against chuffing and blooming. The blooming would exacerbate feedback from the guitar.

These are both speakers with a similar design and focus.

[martingitdave]

Originally Posted by dannyg1

These are both speakers with a similar design and focus.

Very good. I also think neither is a substitute for a PA system.

[lkingston]

Originally Posted by martingitdave

Very good. I also think neither is a substitute for a PA system.

It will be interesting to see how they (Bose S1 and EAE D6-8) work as a stereo pair. I have my S1 on order and should have it by the end of next week. The 40 Watts output from either unit individually is pretty meager for a PA, but I expect the combined 80 Watts from both of them will be plenty for the majority of my duo gigs.

[martingitdave]

Originally Posted by lkingston

It will be interesting to see how they (Bose S1 and EAE D6-8) work as a stereo pair. I have my S1 on order and should have it by the end of next week. The 40 Watts output from either unit individually is pretty meager for a PA, but I expect the combined 80 Watts from both of them will be plenty for the majority of my duo gigs.

Yes it will work, for sure. I’m thankful for the stuff I’ve got now. I can handle a few hundred people with the HK Nano 608i. And, for less than 50 people, I can grab the S1 and go. I think when my needs exceed the capability of the S1, I would rather jump to the compact PA tower.

My thought is that if I were willing to take the speakers and stands, I might as well grab more capable speakers and use a proper mixer.

The T4 and T8 mixers are expensive, but I like the sound the T1 produces. That could be interesting with a pair of QSCs.

[Cuki79]

Thanks Dannyg1,

I did not know all that!!

Cuki

[dannyg1]

Originally Posted by martingitdave

Very good. I also think neither is a substitute for a PA system.

They (The EAE and Bose S1 pair) could be pressed into service as a PA by setting up a low shelf at around 125hz and then running a subwoofer. You’d gain another 4-6db in headroom and only have a hole in the 70-125hz range, which would, with today’s music, be thought of as pretty good sounding (the bass hole would accentuate the lower bass frequencies when they hit and make the system sound ballsy). It might even sound great. I know my Schertler Jam 100 sounds fantastic as a PA speaker and the Loudbox Artist sounds really good as a PA speaker as well. I mean that as a really powerful full range, flat response speaker and not as competition to a fur covered Yamaha 15. The Yamaha will be louder by miles but won’t sound nearly as good to us.

[dannyg1]

Originally Posted by Cuki79

Thanks Dannyg1,

I did not know all that!!

Cuki

I think you know it but didn’t really know it(s). First and second order x-overs are what sounds smoothest and most natural. We are slowly becoming more accustomed to PA speakers that sound more like full range speakers and have less x-over induced phase anomalies (which are typically handled in PA designs by leaving down points in the freq curve, near the x-over point).

The QSC K8’s and K10’s were the first consumer priced PA speakers that paid attention to true flat response in their design and people did notice. They came out of nowhere to king of the PA market (Upsetting Mackie, JBL and EV greatly).

I think that because they were going for a sound best represented by the finest instrument amplifiers instead of being the next loudest, most efficient speaker to market.

[kramster]

EAE also has a new larger model out as welll had one at the show .. just brought it out today...shhhhhh... they also have a stereo amp as well... just sayin

[lkingston]

Originally Posted by kramster

EAE also has a new larger model out as welll had one at the show .. just brought it out today...shhhhhh... they also have a stereo amp as well... just sayin

Ahhh! I just bought the D6-8 like last week! Am I already out of date?

[dannyg1]

Originally Posted by kramster

EAE also has a new larger model out as welll had one at the show .. just brought it out today...shhhhhh... they also have a stereo amp as well... just sayin

How can we convince you to photograph it for us and get as much info as possible?

[kramster]

You did get me to photo stuff... I will be home later and tomorrow whilst be a posting and doing up my annual lil NAMM video... stay tuned..

[Hasbro]

Any of you guys familiar with atomic clr wedge? How does it compare as a full range flat response speaker?

[NotValid]

Originally Posted by martingitdave

Very good. I also think neither is a substitute for a PA system.

To me the EAE series is more "accoustic reinforcement" than amplification. Or a personal monitor to a bigger PA system. This thing is screaming for an ETL Edwina or the like with the blend adjusted just right so your audience is actually hearing you first. If that makes sense. Designed for more intimate gigs where your audience is there to listen to you and not compete with you like in a noisy bar. But I could be wrong.

Did someone say EAE has something Neeeeew? Show us the speakers!

[NotValid]

Here is from their FB page. Looks like the new one is in the corner, mixer on the side and whatever that is hiding under its cover.

[NotValid]

NAMM is over and still no info on the new products from EAE. They really should hire a marketing person.